behave like with "display: inline-block;" in CSS % < mst> that sentence is based on feedback, I'm not *just* being a smug bastard < mst> (I'm totally being a smug bastard as well, mind) < MalphasWats> I get the impression that you deserve to :) < mst> well, obviously *I* like to think so % < sobel> i guess most GUI based apps are really the mysql of apps < sobel> "the mysql nature" < DrEeevil> > electron < sobel> i don't wish to bring mongodb into this % < daemon> I wonder if I can get vscode to spank me if I go over 80 cols < thrig> mallet gnome 2.0: now with optional paddle % < pink_mist> I have many questions < pink_mist> I don't really want any answers though < pink_mist> I really don't < pink_mist> :X % < Altreus> root mean square < Altreus> my spirit average % < mst> half way down the bottle < mst> my spirit level < thrig> absinthe better options... % < bin_bash> we should nuke japan again <@mst> the incels would come out of their basements and riot for their tiddies < bin_bash> makes it easy to cull them <@mst> ... point. % < nox> Yeah but that baby simulator game is unrealistic, < nox> like, you can die from eating batteries IIRC, < nox> and I can confirm that doesn't kill a baby. < Kassandry> nox: What did you try that worked? % 1) all twitter accounts are feds 2) never point a twitter account at anything you're not willing to destroy 3) keep your finger off the mouse button until your tweet is on the target 4) be sure of your target and its followers % <@mst> Prodding 3: The Proddening <@mst> Prodding 2: Stun Gun Boogaloo < pink_mist> Prodding 4: Live Free and Prod Hard < thrig> Mallet Gnome Reloaded % < LeoNerd> Ohwait except I can't go to LPW because I'm going to the perl5 core hackathon at the same time. :/ < LeoNerd> Oh the irony of my being unable to attend both events to talk about concurrency % < mst> simcop2387: .. is context dependent because it hates you < simcop2387> yep < huf> sir we require proper closed shoes in this establishment < huf> take your flip flops to mcdonalds % < triddle> drinking some of the freedesktop koolaid has been an interesting experience < triddle> the problem is that it barely tastes like almonds until it's too late % < Grinnz> oh god, php % < erry> nox: I bet there's no dictator named Errietta < erry> ...yet < nox> Be the dictator you want to see in the world. < nox> “IT’S *THEIR* SERENE HIGHNESS YOU FUCKWADS” % < mst> the goal is minimising the chance of the user ending up short a foot < simcop2387> i'd really love a problem where the user ends up with an extra foot they don't want or need. < thrig> easy, start with two users % < tyldis> A legacy app at $ork does "require" on an entire folder. 109 files. Can't go into more details without crying. < tyldis> No "use strict". < tyldis> At least there's 0% coverage so I don't have to maintain the tests % < nox> mst: Well that's what "OH" indicates, no? < nox> I thought it stood for "Obviously Hitler". < ChoHag> OHRLY? < nox> I feel like I just cursed myself into reading it that way forever now. % < AdamJensen> XLV: lemme guess, you deny the Holocaust too? :P < XLV> AdamJensen, anybody with two brain cells does <@mst> XLV: I absolutely agree with that statement. < XLV> let me rephrase it. anybody with more than two... % < feep> so < feep> being in the market for a new phone since I just put my current phone in the washing machine % -!- Altreus [~altreus@cumulus.altre.us] has joined #moose < Altreus> I have fought my way through the new weechat interface! < Altreus> um actually this is a catalyst question % < johto> "When you arrive at pgconf, there will be three queues based on the letters of your first name. Please look on your ticket for which queue you should stand in!" < johto> Is this the new partitioning feature? % < genio> ERROR 2006 (HY000) at line 581: MySQL server has gone away why on earth do I deal with this nonsense? < LeoNerd> CELEBRATE 2006 at line 581: MySQL server has finally gone away so you don't have to deal with its shit any more % < DrEeevil> software raid *can* go very fast but it's difficult < DrEeevil> hardware raid asfn Ognoregn rg;nz;n :Aks fnALnf/..................... * DrEeevil had a 3ware moment % < jmac> Cat is NOT allowed to walk on my keyboard when I am ssh'd into prod % < nox> mozjs/third_party/python/pipenv/pipenv/vendor/pip9/_vendor/ < nox> Yo dawg, heard you like vendoring so I put vendoring in your vendoring so you can vendor while you vendor. % < mst> "we're beyond shotgun debugging and into stormtrooper debugging here" % < LeoNerd> Who called it a `sub declaration` and not a `sub missive`? % <@gwern> 'i'm sick of all these stylegan booths at burning man! it's so boring and predictable' 'hate the gan and not the playa, dude' % < mst> headline of the day: Tennessee Deputy Sued Twice In The Same Day Over A Roadside Anal Search And A Forced Baptism < Kassandry> You can baptize someone with an anal search? % < nshepperd2> Something something it's been an incredible journey but imgur is now pivoting away from showing images to focus on its core competencies, running advertising javascript and trolling % < genio> lots of FROM foo, bar, baz too. :( < Grinnz> oh god, i usually only see that in sqlite < genio> I'm cringing left and right over here < thrig> LEFT OUTER CRINGE % < mst> THERE ARE ACTUALLY TESTS < mst> do they work? < jnap> and they don't work at all < mst> ... DAMNIT % < jnap> I meant to have a plan but I forgot. % < genio> The internet suggests I have cancer, am experiencing a heart attack, have acid reflux, bruised/broke a bone, bruised some cartilage, fucked up a lung, pulled/tore some muscle, or otherwise am being a hypochondriac and should get over myself. % < ttkp> when I was a little child, I dreamed of using arcane incantations and dark sigils to bend the universe to my will < ttkp> today, I am a perl programmer < ttkp> never stop dreaming % < Getty> i had to totally care for the dog for 3/4 of a year, at first he hated me < Getty> he never did what i said < Getty> now he loves me, and never does what i say % < huf> ah yes, the secret to terrible performance < huf> .*? is usually kept deep beneath a monastery in switzerland % < namespace> People take LSD and become convinced the universe is made out of joy. < namespace> Is anyone ever convinced the universe is made out of suffering? < Urchin> slavs % < kd> tfw you can have a coherent conversation about propositional calculus versus predicate calculus with your offspring < kd> then follow it up with a spot of discussion about feminist politics < kd> mdk: ^^ I guess this is what you've got to look forward to % < phaylon> gah. will have to do this the hard way % < rindolf> veesh: where in .us ? < veesh> the land of the cleve < veesh> best place ever < veesh> if you don't include other places in the comparison % <@mst> I like some changes australia has made to english <@mst> but I use "y'all" because USians are triggered by "you bunch of cunts" <@Burrito> mst: like 'cunt' being turned into a compliment? <@mst> Burrito: sniped % < DrEeevil> I saw nodejs and found it amusing, like J and perl6 and OpenCOBOL and all this exotic weird stuff < DrEeevil> so I packaged it for gentoo, just because it's funny < DrEeevil> then people started using it % <@cat-xeger> I have photographic evidence that I've slipped into a parallel universe... all four of my cats sitting on the same piece of furniture. % \o/ he's a furry of course he's a trash disaster but not entirely bad :D % < Kassandry> What the fuck did I just wake up to? < pirateFinn> the internet? % < DrHyde> argh * DrHyde remembers UUCP * DrHyde runs around with his brain on fire % < mst> can't even get packets to it in the first place from the looks of it < mst> trace gets as far as be100-1042.rbx-g2-nc5.fr.eu then barfs < huf> so france is down again < huf> i bet it was the fucking ardennes, they'll never learn % < perlbot> @FederalSpyGuy perhaps youre english skills are substandard < thrig> ahh the insults of yore < simcop2387> ur, your, you're and yore < thrig> alas poor yourick, I knew him well % < ether> oh great, if I move my response logging to a $c->on(finish ..), my logging tests fail < ether> async is awesmoe sometimes :) % < nox> "Is buttcheeks one word or should I spread them apart?" % < nox> Lol, < nox> the Mario streamer sponsorised by Redbull can't play Death Stranding live because it's sponsorised by Monster. < nox> What a timeline. % * davidfetter wonders whether he's been too clever, and should just have put it right before "return result" < RhodiumToad> that would also be wrong % <@sungo> sadly, vets won't give people meds % < corwin> Somehow I have enabled subliminal-cats-mode in Windows 10. < corwin> I have Wallpaper Engine running. < corwin> But every once in a while a rand cat pic replaces my wallpaper. < corwin> If this is some sort of conspiracy mark me down as a collaborator. % It's a ~ separated file because CSV is too hard and some have further data that is | separated within the fields because potatoes % How do you greet a lawyer with an IQ of 100? "Hi Bob" How about one with an IQ of 80? "Good morning, your Honor" How about one with an IQ of 60? "Well hello, Congressman!" % < mst> that sentence is really ambiguous without knowing which one of them you fucked, btw < nox> mst: I know. < nox> mst: You don't know who I fucked, but I definitely fucked English. % <@sungo> depends, in my experience. large internal automation teams in general, yes, prefer to be called DevOps. the large internal automation team created specifically to manage AWS administrivia, in my experience, prefer to be called "The Cursed" % < insomnia> laundry cat is going nuts < insomnia> soon as I take it out she'll chase me down the hall with it and dive in < insomnia> try to fold laundry and the laundry has teeth & claws. % wait we're not playing this game again huh? last time we started comparing sex lives you ended up OH tweeting me % <+nixonix> yeah i know <@mst> sorry. took your question as genuine rather than sarcastic. <@mst> totally works as sarcasm on a re-read too :D <+nixonix> it wasnt either this time. i just type shit and see what happens % < nox> phaylon: Please stay where you are, < nox> the police of too many negations in the same sentence is coming for you < nox> stay calm and obey their directives. < phaylon> nox: I wouldn't be unsurprised if they didn't decide not to % < Winterbay> bingely bingely beep? < Kincaid> would you like to set a reminder? < hikari> No, fuck off. < Kincaid> would you like to set a reminder to fuck off later? % < feep> all talk is pointless < feep> life is pointless < feep> death is the only escape < feep> (this is an irc channel. chancellor, pointless is our speciality.) % fat shamers: we shouldn't encourage the fatties or they'll stay fat me, a fatty: discovers fb group of other fatties, joins THIS IS WHERE WE PLAN THE TAKEOVER OF THE WORLD then we feed them % < triddle> they ruined a perfectly good workstation. just look at it: it's got windows % < Altreus> "just" to mst is not in the realms of "just" for everyone else % <@alh> mst: I don't age man. When you have no hips to bust I'll still be getting picked up by random PHPers % < quanticle> I think it's a fact that the more socialist you are, the better your chocolate is % < roshambo> gaetz strikes me as above average intelligence who's on third base of the dark triad :P < roshambo> the guy's teeth freak me out < roshambo> he's like a vampire horse % < jberger> LeoNerd: well let's crank it up a notch, retweeted from @perlmojo < LeoNerd> A blast from your spice-weasel? < mst> LeoNerd: I think that's more your kink than ours < LeoNerd> % <@simcop2387> oh sorry, eat a *bowl* of dicks. < LeoNerd> A bowl is preferrable to a bag.. easier to put the sauce on < mst> is it spiceweasel flavoured? < LeoNerd> .. bah, faster than I could type :P % 03:17 Sec. 03:17 k 03:19 Cat just murdered a mouse 03:19 good kitty :D % <@sungo> at least in .ca, usps can't thieve your packages <@cat-xeger> No ... but canada post still thinks they're going to deliver my package on dec 4th ... <@cat-xeger> ... but having just checked, they don't mention which year. % Smuggler My pilots don't have accidents. Ivanova: They will. I'll see to it. Smuggler: You wouldn't! Ivanova: Really? I've got a 200-megawatt pulse cannon that says otherwise. % < chloekek> Oh is it fosdem again? COol! < chloekek> I mean: fosdamn I forgot to go again % < erry> speaking of deadly plagues, i dont 'feel 100% today < erry> oh well, RIP me I guess < triddle> don't panic it could be all kinds of stuff, cancer for instance % < xenu> while building perl i pressed ctrl-c which resulted in the following: < xenu> NNMMAAKKEE :: ffaattaall eerrrroorr UU11005588:: NMAKE : fatal error U1077: termtineatremdi nbayt euds ebry < xenu> Sutsoepr. % <@ct> I knew Ryzen ran warm, but damn <@hobbs> well it's less watts-per-blah than comparable intel <@hobbs> it's just capable of a lot of blah % < triddle> you have now failed as a nutritionist, give me the fucking cheeseburger % < LeoNerd> I don't want to have to double-bounce it < mst> LeoNerd: see that just sounds like the whole "two condoms thing" < mst> oh, wait, that's double-bagging it, isn't it < LeoNerd> Not to be confused with double-dipping either % < ggreer> > ! 'none' driver reported an issue: exec: "systemctl": executable file not found in $PATH < ggreer> > Exited with code exit status 69 % <@ct> someone has written some code that is doing DNS lookups ignoring cache but damned if I can find it <@genehack> ct: _you_ don't need to find it. block the DNS lookups, and the person who wrote the code will find *you*. % < quicksilver> Shadowcat are the people you get in when there are strange smells coming from the data centre and of the last three juniors you hired, one went mad, one joined the circus, and one hasn't been seen since two weeks ago on Thursday % < triddle> one sec my paranoid security is keeping me out of my own VPS because I didn't finish setting up this workstation after I reinstalled it % < kwispel> it's all fun when it's new and exciting - but finishing the project involves doing boring stuff, procrastination becomes the norm and people start to complain... < chloekek> 80/20 rule, 20 hours fun, 80 hours boring maintenance. % < kraih> on second though, $promise->force looks kinda weird < mst> kraih: write it scheme style, (force $promise) < kraih> the unicode spec really needs that picard facepalm emoji % <@gwern> yeah, all the california physical culture, anti-vax, granola, nudism, all of this seems to trace historically back to germany. <@gwern> no one does rationality and science and technology quite like the germans... but also no one goes insane quite like the germans % on_delete=models.PROTECT he models.PROTECC he models.ATTACC but most importantly, he overflow the STACC % < nox> Some people have "blocked by $someone" in their bio, < nox> I feel like "tolerated by mst" is way cooler. :P % < Khoth> Really if I go to work and say "hey let's change the language we write our stuff in" then everyone including me will stab me % < lavalike> the most hilarious piece of news I saw was how people ransacked all of the pasta on the shelves of some supermarket in lombardy, a high case count region in italy, but they left the penne lisce there, you really see people preferences in these times haha % < pink_mist> mst: know what I just realised? I'm you, but with a pink eye % < mst> jberger (one of the perl crew) referred to my presence in channels and etc. as 'mst as a service' < nox> mst: So... Uber but for Chlamydia? % < castaway> I ran outta cluebats * TBSliver rings up an order for another 200 tonnes < TBSliver> should keep us going for a month or so :P % <@Fuchs> yeah, if I were Voldemort and had to hide one of these horcruxes I'd choose an IRC topic <@Fuchs> that, or the JIRA UI % reaches for teapot, pours out a nice hot cup of tempest. % < mst> I'm also impressed by him saying "I have an N-tier architecture" < mst> like, yes, definitionally < quicksilver> HALP I ACCIDENTALLY THE N-TIER INTERNET < mst> ... I hate you % so this golang reverse proxy was doing the SSI but also, golang has a horrible regexp engine so the golang proxy also shipped with a nginx server which it used as a regex engine % < ether> dzil optimizes for end users and puts all the pain on the author, but you get to customize your type and level of pain, which is nice at least :) < ether> and some of us enjoy the pain if we get to control it % < triddle> one party, two brands? make one anti-democrat and the other anti-republican and don't tell people it's the same party? < triddle> then in 20 years go SURPRISE! You were cooperating the whole time % <@ct> I rarely watch anything more than once but watched S01 twice <@ct> I mean, I've seen every episode of The West Wing at least five times, but a story about a Washington where actions have consequences is more medicinal than entertainment. % < nox> This fucking country… < nox> We can't spell, so #coronvirus is trending. % <@chargrill> damn, coronavirus is more well traveled than i am. #jealous <@cat-xeger> Didn't think you were particularly well travelled :P <@chargrill> i've gotten around a bit <@cat-xeger> So I've heard... but I didn't think you meant _travel_ :P % < nox> At my former workplace, I would say puns constantly and I reached a level where there could be silence for 20s and suddenly someone yells FUCK YOU NOX < nox> because they had just got the pun and it was fucking bad. % <@saturn2> also, if you get the opportunity to go back and kill someone, please make it lennart poettering and not hitler % < ether> there always seem to be some perl jobs when I've gone looking < ether> I can think of half a dozen leads in North America < thrig> and at least one Leeds in England % < chloekek> This is the worst way to film slides ever. < chloekek> Whoever picked that camera angle should have a corner shoved up their butt at the very same angle. % < kd> email to boss from just now < kd> yeah cool. We've made progress. Things work badly. That means we're 90% done, and around 920% left to go. % < kd> indeed I learned everything I know from you ... which is disturbing < mst> ... to me also % <@gwern> the key to understand ledger, I feel, is to understand it's a series of tubes... < quanticle> gwern: Really? I thought it was a bunch of big trucks, hauling my money from account to account % < thrig> the iambic pentameter needs work < mst> we need a formal standard for the penta so we can calibrate the meter < thrig> probably the distance shakespeare travels after being shot from a cannon % < vincent> guess I'll try it and see if I'm getting insane in the process < mst> in the case of me and thee I think it's better to worry about accidentally being driven *sane* < vincent> let's hope sanity is an angular measure % <@gwern> ...how do you go from 1.2tb to 0.067tb? < shawwn> no no, 67 gigs of furry porn images. 1161.465GB of furry porn videos % < tyldis> I just finished a script to backup my vacuum robot daily. Strange world. % < genio> I trust facebook as much as I do a knife-weilding clown coming out of a sewer < genio> Then again, I live in FL, so I trust our state government about as much % * cat-xeger got a delivery today from either the UK or EU ... labeled 'horse shampoo' <@mst> I thought you made glue out of horses, not shampoo <@cat-xeger> As it turns out, it's actually a rubber bucket... % < LeoNerd> Hum... well..er... I guess it works :) < ilmari> \o/ < ilmari> no need to $fret ;) < LeoNerd> No, fretting will involve t/81async-method+dynamically.t % < LeoNerd> That's a 3-way interaction between three of my modules < mst> .oO "good thing we're both experienced at those" < LeoNerd> While I've nothing against a threesome, practically they get a lot more complex due to all the extra interactions between moving parts % < LeoNerd> ^-- are these messages suitably understandable? < tom_m> we'll provide feedback on that tomorrow when we put this into prod! < LeoNerd> Don't scare me with such things :P < tom_m> \N{COMBINING LOOK OF INNOCENCE} % oh good, company wide gantt chart, barf % < ology> My client put $a all over his code. I have told him "NO!" and he agrees now. Fortunately there is no sorting in his source ... yet. < thrig> sort old.pl > new.pl * ology pushes thrig down the stairs % < shawwn> “Learn how some of our most successful customers utilize the Figure Eight platform to annotate training data for a wide array of machine learning projects." < shawwn> I wonder if they would support furdick classification.. % < Kassandry> SC2 Kerrigan has yellow stripes from how hard she was hit with the nerf bat % < kwispel> so there is a french guy who ran a marathon...on his balcony < kwispel> france is definitely going insane, first there are reports of people drinking box wine, and now this < xocolatl> we're not insane, we're in seine % < Obormot> This is my dream job title < Obormot> Commissar of Enlightenment < Obormot> Having the New York Times accuse me of calculated moral depravity would be my career goal. % <@mst> since master is basically a wasteland with more cobwebs than hillary's vagina and 'develop' is the new blac^Wmaster, I've told github to give us 'develop' on a fresh clone by default so nobody else unknowingly stumbles into the haunted grotto while setting up a new dev env % < bay-max> For some reason when ever I bring out the tardis, two guys who constantly air-guitar keep showing up and asking to borrow it. % <@ct> Trent Reznor looks like he should be picking his kids up from soccer now <@ct> which is just mind blowing <@gizmomathboy> "I want to cheer for you like an animal" % < triddle> the virus won < Kassandry> Well, yes, I was playing Plague Inc on Mega Brutal. Of course it won. % < genio> I was here working on a few data migration scripts. Started getting errors and wondering what's going on because the changes I made had nothing to do with the google section < genio> "How the hell'd I break that?!?" ... "Oh, Google's down" % < nox> Meanwhile our Minister of Education said that the national exam at the end of high school will be happening in time this year, < nox> so it's probably cancelled. < nox> Whatever he says, the opposite happens. % < mdk> It's at times like these that I am thankful I have some smart, and truly fucking funny yet cruelly sarcastic people to help me... oh, and you guys :P % < ptrcmd> perhaps having lots of fake news is just what the path to singularity looks like < shawwn> I mean, we’ve got three or four horsemen kicking around right now < shawwn> a singularity would be a nice distraction % < Obormot> Another way to know if it is a jumping spider is to see whether it is *completely adorable* % < gordonfish> (The original cert appeared to have an expiration date of 1970, and I guess the newer versions of openssl lack libfluxcapacitor support.) % < nshepperd2> fine then, I'll do things to prove shminux wrong < Obormot> You know what < Obormot> "to prove shminux wrong" is an excellent reason to do things < Obormot> In fact, it just may be the solution to free will % < mst> shawwn: [insert montage here] < shawwn> mst: if only AI training were as cool < shawwn> my montage would look like slow weight gain and back problems developing % That was so British I almost felt compelled make some tea and conquer part of Africa. % <@cat-xeger> Bugger. Horse hair. % < Mithaldu_> holy shit, mst is going to bed at midnight < Mithaldu_> everything is fucked < pirateFinn> I mean the pub is closed, so shouldnt surprise you lol % < Dom> Ah, sleet. How lovely. Spring must be here. % the more i look at this microlyth the more wtf the sql queries are [link redacted in the name of erry's NDAs and the reader's SAN points] what in god's flat earth is that query even trying to do? % <@gwern> 'The German Panzer 35(t) tanks and anti-tank weapons were ineffective against the Soviet heavy tanks, some of which were out of ammunition but closed in and destroyed German antitank guns by driving over them.[13][14][g]' how very soviet % < Altreus> I do like some features of bash. FD handling is one of them < huf_> there may be a better language inside shell, trying to get out < Grinnz> I like the feature of bash where you can run something else written in a sane language % <@gwern> in case anyone was wondering, the ahegao model is still training < ggreer> I was not and now I'm considering drinking a handle of vodka so that I will not have to know this fact % < huf_> 127.0.0.1 must be the most exhausted ip < huf_> up every day at the crack of localhost % The second problem is that there seem to be a huge collection of choices for the various pieces of such an environment (and some of them even work). % < huf_> why is it that the plot can thicken but it cant become tumescent or erect? % < Betawolf> Is Robomot reading a different tweet to me, or is my browser posessed by the Holy Ghost? < mst> Betawolf: "tweet's haunted" <@gwern> run templeos in your browser and it will be % < pingu4> i just had a scam email from the "nhs" asking for donations < xenu> WHO and Swiss Philanthropy Foundation asked me for the same < xenu> it's pretty good timing because i've just won 1 million dollars in a "facebook lottery" % < cat-xeger> I have a landline, know what the number is, and currenly have a rotary dial phone connected to it. < cat-xeger> Also, when the rapture comes, I _will_ have root. % < random> argh this fuxlibg keyboard. % < quanticle> capisce: What we need to do is detach Sweden from Europe < quanticle> Sail it all the way around Africa, and put it over by Japan < capisce> you'd need to temporarily detach Norway too to let them out < Betawolf> I think it's on a hinge % < ether> that's the main qualifier I use to distinguish a junior programmer from an intermediate < ether> can you humble yourself enough to ask a dumb question on irc < Altreus> Depends. Is mst going to see it? % < gordonfish> enum Bool { True, False, FileNotFound }; % * ovid notes that he decided not to change his nick to "covid" % < LeoNerd> Either I'm using it wrong, or parse_subsignature() gets upset by empty signatures < LeoNerd> And I don't think I'm using it wrong, because I wrote it so (think) I know how to use it % < Mithaldu> I actually declined bringing this up earlier because there were better points to bring up that are actually on topic, but this accusation is 100% dumbfucked. Please stop being so utterly moronic. % -!- ovid is now known as covid % < FunkyBob> my friend was explaining about the two great books on cheese making she has. one the author is near fanatical about cleanliness and perfect measures, the other is basically ... "Haven't got some cultures? Shove your hands in for 10 seconds..." % < ether> it sure does suck to have to try to mind-meld with people on another continent to derive requirements, though < ether> but, as I've said before, I'm married, so I'm not *terrible* at mind reading % < mst> A true english gentlemen keeps his own council < huf_> where does he keep it < huf_> and just how many people are in a single gentlemEn? < tm604> depends on how successful the council meeting was % <@mst> I forget ovid does this strange and wondrous thing called "polite" <@mst> never understood it myself <@covid> Fuck off. <@covid> Please. % < nox> I love this quote from POTUS Churchill: “Those who give up causality for correlation deserve neither and will lose both”. Food for thought! % There is a thing. That exists. Called a sushi burrito. Wonderful things happen when you legalize guns, weed, gambling, and asian people. % < mst> honestly I think my mother died when she did because her voice had gone enough she couldn't tell people they were wrong anymore <@gwern> it was heart failure. her heart was broken seeing everyone do everything wrong % < deko> I made my first brötchen (bread rolls?) with "wild" yeast today. Worked like a charm and even tastes better. amazing. < Zr40> feral yeast < deko> rawr. % < thowe> There is something about seeing mst flatly drop the sweet Perl truth and then grumble that comforts me and makes the world seem like everything is gonna be OK. % < nshepperd2> if denial isn't working, you're not using enough of it % < Betawolf> My wife used to worry about our cat going out when the weather was bad at night, until I pointed out that from her record, she _was_ the scary thing little mammals should be afraid of on a dark and stormy night. % < Betawolf> oh, so it's mostly a sad person with wet feet % < nox> mst: You should have mentioned you want pandas dead to that dumb vegan. < mst> nox: that was a fight club quote :D < nox> mst: I can't talk about that. % < huf_> this particular kind of red ale is basically social democracy forced from the capitalist beer manufacturer elite by the looming horror of microbrew communism % < mst> humans? learning lessons? don't be silly < FunkyBob> that's crazy talk! < FunkyBob> I learned that... oh, wait, shit. % < pie_[bnc]> "I'm not being a smartass I just think like this" < pie_[bnc]> ok maybe I'm being a bit of a smartass < pie_[bnc]> it's also an occupational hazard < pie_[bnc]> when you're doing programming >_> % < mst> moin < Rosemary> beep < Dom> Hi < pewterfish> fthagn % Anybody else willing to cover tech support since bob just silently bailed on me because he prefers animal crossing over work? Look, some people have turnips to sell It's not my fault, I've got a mortgage to pay % -!- boxr [~boxr@panopticon.cybergaraget.org] has joined #perl < boxr> yo < mst> .o/ * mst approves of calling your irssi host panopticon % < mst> ... misparsed Pascal's Pensees as Pascal's Penises < Betawolf> just a variant of Pascal's mugging targeted at getting laid. < mst> I, I, Pascal's buttplugging < mst> ... because you're Wirth it % < initself> imagine how many smart people are in the shadows < mst> give me a flamethrower and I'll find out < mohawk> do not give mst a flamethrower < mohawk> remember last time % < Kassandry> Bananas are unrealistically large anyway. < mdk> Only next to some people :) < Kassandry> True. True. % < Kassandry> Shitting aunts, I had a bad run.... < mst> bad runs would explain why the aunts were shitting, admittedly < Kassandry> Me: You don't look so good. Aunt: Arse is haunted. Me: What? Aunt: *grabs bog roll and returns to bathroom* Arse is haunted % <@KT_So_It_Goes> if I find the fucker who ate the bat I’m locking him in my house with my wife and kids for a whole year <@KT_So_It_Goes> hope you like making mac & cheese and watching frozen 2 you sonofabitch % < pirateFinn> Nah my fav is "why are all these conversations like this? just once someone could actually interact with my arguments maybe someone could convince me" < pirateFinn> Like oh honey we tried % <@ccooke> i have decided to find the conspiracy theories comforting <@ccooke> i mean, it proves that humans are still absolutely, fully human in all circumstances ;-) % 22:24 -!- Uniaika has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 23:14 -!- Uniaika [~uniaika@163.172.211.189] has joined #irssi 23:16 < mst> Uniaika: you're an idiot. welcome back :D 23:16 < href> I've witnessed the despair live IRL, mst, it was worth it. % < aquanight> a == b & c -> (a == b) & c < huf_> who cares about that one < huf_> it's not like you do bit manipulation in c % < shminux> “You know, people think mathematics is complicated. Mathematics is the simple bit. It’s the stuff we can understand. It’s cats that are complicated” % < Obormot> We have the best bagels < Obormot> The best pizza < Obormot> The best water < Obormot> The best coronavirus infections count % * quanticle read '100b Childrens' Sky' as '8 Childrens' Sky' % <@ether> hubs just fixed the bird feeder that the bear smashed <@ether> we really shouldn't be feeding the birds at all, as it's an attractant.. but it's the cat's tv % < Ai9zO5AP> what do you suggest for deeplearning ? < mst> get a good book and go down a mine shaft? < thrig> https://www.gutenberg.org/files/18857/18857-h/18857-h.htm % < genio> Woo. Atlassian made a UI/UX change that doesn't outright stink this time. Navigation makes sense again < huf_> they must all be dying from covid and delirious from fever < huf_> because that's seriously out of character for them, i'm worried % < mst> (he says, for at least the fourth time now) < thrig> ." FORTH TIME % < Kassandry> erry makes a decent straight man < erry> i'm panromantic < Kassandry> erry: Yup. *pats* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_man < erry> <3 % <@murb> PC LOAD LETTUCE % me: thinks of all the edge cases that can come up PM: i think i broke the PM he can't help me anymore % <@BinGOs> INSERT COLON <@mst> COCK_MONOTONIC <@ilmari> BinGOs: or as I had done 16 years ago: EXTRACT COLON <@mst> ilmari: "no, no, no, I said *prolog*" % < mst> pink_mist: BLUBBER < pink_mist> MACADAMIA < mst> BLUBBER GAZEEEBO < pink_mist> BULBOUS BOUFFANT % < kd> it's nice not to be working for hyena capitalists (aka private equity) % < mst> nothing quite as funny as *setting* $_[0] in a method < mst> that replaces the caller's copy of the object with something else < mst> but not anybody else's < LeoNerd> Ohfuck I should set SvREADONLY on $self in Object::Pad methods % < mst> prototypes are in the "I always regret this" category < mst> much like watersports at an orgy, no matter how much fun it seems at the time, eventually somebody'll get splashed who wasn't expecting it < ether> mst: I always knew that PPE would come in handy % < huf_> what the fuck am i supposed to have done now? < mst> I've no idea, but that's not going to stop me blaming you for it < huf_> fucking anglos % < Mithaldu_> and then he talked about his experiences dating on grindr < Mithaldu_> (a lot of the guys on grindr are so incredibly thirsty they're like lemming jumping off a cliff just because there might be a dick at the bottom) % <@gwern> 'wouldn't it be nice if everyone just' - no, everyone will not just. everyone has never just justed in history, and they aren't going to start now, and if they did, others would anti-just to exploit it. % < mst> Obormot: have you read the books? < Obormot> if I'd read them I wouldn't have to doubt, I could just disagree < mst> then we must duel for the honour of Richard Morgan < mst> as weapons, I choose a cliff and an angry faggot % < vincent> also one crash was definitely caused by *logging* utf-8 encoded strings to an ascii channel, and I hate my life for having to learn enough python to fix that % < nox> It's connaisseur in French, from the verb connaitre, < nox> that "o" offends me. < Mithaldu_> i'll make a note to say that word as often as i can around french < Mithaldu_> konnossör % < simcop2387> i'm starting on hour three of the daily standup % < ttkp> was about to pose a question here, and an imagined answer from mst popped into my head. < ttkp> #perl, what have you done to me? % < tom_m> s/compatible with/similar to/ ? < Grinnz> "may remind you of the flavor of" < LeoNerd> "Has subtle hints of burned oak and ..." < Grinnz> "was once stored in a warehouse with" % < tm604> also it only counts as poetry when it comes from the XS region of cpan, everything else is just sparkling perl % < Grinnz> probably about time for me to remove that and make a v1 so it doesn't look alpha < mst> Grinnz: [very pick up artist voice] but alpha is good < Grinnz> [john oliver stare] % you're allowed to poke into your *own* internals % < rewt> huf: you said it too < huf> rewt: yes, but *I* knew i was joking :D < huf> i've got inside information < huf> it's handy % < LeoNerd> There is /a/ spec yes. It's possible someone somewhere follows it. % < Altreus> I know enough about IRC never to write a client for it % < mst> the alternative would've been writing CSS and I don't know how < erry> * { font-family: 'Comic sans'; } < mst> ... is it still a rule zero violation if somebody else sets you on fire < erry> mst: don't worry, just keep encouraging me to cook.. % < tom_m> so what's savestack 53 when it's self-isolating at home? % < Obormot> When you comment your code, you are helping racists hack and exploit disadvantaged persons < Obormot> Clear variable naming is transphobia. < nshepperd2> many eyes make microaggressions % < mst> ${(rand() > 0.5 ? \$@ : \$!)} = $error; 0; < tm604> true, I guess you could dualvar a (0, $error) as well < huf> if the talent in this channel actually applied itself to writing the very worst code ever, it'd be amazing % < LeoNerd> What crazy is this that meets me after my nice relaxing bath?? < thrig> #perl ? < Grinnz> if someone hacked your respective routers and added a rule to drop all outgoing packets, i would not be terribly sad % < mst> (that was supposed to be a compliment, even if it was written in en_MST) < Altreus> thanks :P I've also learned to speak en_MST < Altreus> honestly mst has also come a long way, because time was he'd never admit that he intended a compliment % < nox> you still have 30 minutes < mst> nox: 22 hours ago. < mst> 'expired' is *past* tense < nox> mst: What can I say, I prefer vags, so I skipped the D. % < erry> mst: wait until you see our home baked pubsub < erry> aka "redis OOM prod outage help" < Kassandry> erry: They're generally called "waitstaff" not "pubsubs" % < adiabatic> What if the WHO eventually catches up to the banned libertarian space dogs on Twitter and the greater misinformation danger comes from YouTubers? % > now hiring happy people discrimination like this is why it's hard to get jobs % < yanmaani> I feel the sort of childish glee only a programmer could feel from seeing "Test!" printed on a computer screen... % is it wrong to wear a sandwich board sign that says "PHP DEVELOPER - $20 to slap me" A: yes, $20 is not a competitive rate % < mst> nox: you may need http://trout.me.uk/you.jpg In American Sign Language there's an idiom "train zoom" lol that picture is the perfect representation of its meaning % < mst> "async sub, it's for perl *as well* as IRC typefucking" < LeoNerd> Ohgreat now I'm wondering if there's any way I can make some sort of distinction between the inner machinery and the outer interface of a module/class/... by calling them a "bottom sub" vs "top sub" % And I say I need weed, but it's not for me. The cat's started pawing the vape. Pull open the crumble pack *SNIFF SNIFF SNIFF PAW PAW PAW MEW* Fucking stoner. % < incognito> playing with cucumber sounds like a problem to me :-p < sobel> isn't that a ruby test framework? < mst> sobel: so named because they're both things the developer has previously pulled out of his arse, presumably % < perlbot> aquanight: Out of memory during request for 1073737744 bytes, total sbrk() is 1427456 bytes! [Exited 1] < aquanight> ... someone let me know whose malloc() is using sbrk for 1 GB < aquanight> I want to find them and feed them a mallet gnome % < huf> ugh, so now the cat is made of urine too % < LeoNerd> Typo of the day: Net::Async::HTTP::Sever < LeoNerd> Presumably for cutting off slow connections % < nox> I assume you are particularly mad today because of the recent cop-being-racist video that became viral? < Hecate> honestly? I wasn't finished being mad about the one before % < Mithaldu_> you need to read more scifi < Mithaldu_> so your doomering becomes more exciting % < mst> also gnome doesn't work without systemd anymore < mst> and apparently there are people who consider gnome not working to be a bug rather than a feature < mst> which still confuses me but what can you do % < jberger> WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME, I'M HAVING TO THINK ABOUT SAML AGAIN, NOTHING IS OK % < simcop2387> GumbyBRAIN: the nine tennants of constancy < perigrin> simcop2387: tennant was 10. < perigrin> duh. % < ether> well at least it's not like database access is going to be a critical part of anyone's production infrastructure... :p < kraih> how critical can it be with mysql? :P % * GumbyPAN CPAN Upload: Module-Generate-Hash-0.03 by LNATION https://metacpan.org/release/LNATION/Module-Generate-Hash-0.03 < ether> what on earth is LNATION up to < thrig> making a hash of things, as humans are wont to do % < TrueWolves> 12 hour shifts are hard on the soul, and by that I mean my feet are killing me. % < mst> "I wish my data was emo so it would /usr/bin/cut itself" * pirateFinn almost spat out drink giggling < mdk> When i am being emo i usually just go straight for the cutting < mdk> Or I randomly chmod 777 a top level directory like /etc % * phazedout lsitens to the crickets < Dom> Thankfully we got rid of them a few years back. Just locusts now. < Kincaid> Thankfully we never got the plague of frog < mst> I'd be lost without decent cheese, after all % < erry> > open the window < erry> > get rained on < erry> ah, yes, britain % < Altreus> That pub does amazing steak < Altreus> Dog friendly < mst> I'm not sure there's such a thing as dog unfriendly steak < Altreus> There is: my steak % <@cat-xeger> I asked for more info about what they're doing around crypto... their answer wsa basically "Trust us, we're using industry standard crypto algorithms" <@ether> "we have no idea what we're doing and were hoping no one would notice" % < mdk> I dislike Evernote, it has security and privacy issues < mdk> And they were coy about how they handled both of them < mdk> Though knowing my luck Microsoft will announce One Note is a sponge made from slave labour that hunts babies next week % < saturn2> please don't move from php to go though, that's like moving from eating horse shit to eating dog shit < mst> go is the PHP of compiled languages except without any of the charm < Betawolf> lower fibre content, but more manageable portions? % < nox> Tempted to name a crate for the Erlang Term Format… etflife < ilmari> just so you can typo it fetlife for eternity? < nox> ilmari: Or go :smugface: at anyone making the typo :D % < nshepperd2> feep: stop. hammertimeless decision theory % Just let the cat out for the first time, fucking horrible but he came back when it started raining so I've confirmed he's definitely a cat The bad side is he'd forgotten he could jump higher than 2 feet til now so he's discovered a whole new level of stuff to fuck with in my house % < mst> who fucking knows, my CV was written in POD < mst> these days I'd use markdown < nox> mst: Wrote mine in LaTeX, < nox> then promptly lost the source once I got a PDF, as per tradition. % < haarg> valid packages: foo::bar, foo'bar, foo::'bar, foo::::bar, ::foo::bar, ::219, foo::219, foo::bar:: invalid packages: foo''bar, foo::'::bar, 'foo::bar, foo'::bar, 219, foo::'219 < haarg> i'm sure this all makes sense % Helen: Woohoo! I'm gonna talk to a feminist I admire about theory. The child: What does that mean? Helen: Gender critical feminists & liberals share concerns about queer theory. Her: That doesn't clear the matter up nearly as much as you think it does. % < erry> tfw usertesting gives you a paid test for an app you actually use and then you get $10 to rant for 20 minutes < erry> :chef kiss: < erry> "i hate your app, it's shit. 10/10 would keep using" % Fencing is the perfect COVID-19 sport 1) Masks 2) Gloves 3) If anybody gets closer than 6 feet away, you stab them % 16:52 < aquanight> oh god, the fuck did I step into. 17:01 < aquanight> what the bloody hell is pushmark 17:08 < aquanight> how do they expect people to make sense out of this 17:29 < aquanight> oh fuckdammit. So much for non-overlapping sequence numbers % < Grinnz> technically speaking, php was just a really bad perl 4 < huf> yeah, but perl4 was also a really bad perl4 % < BubbleBobbleBob> I have now convinced colleagues that when mst says "this is a giant bag of crack", we should not use it, and we're now slowly getting rid of TryCatch % Hey I found the male Karen! Hey, I found the eunuch one! Just had a kid there, Jimmy Neutron! I'm sure your wife did. % < mst> oic yes sorry I avoid the superglobals < LeoNerd> There's too many of them and they're almost all silly < mst> sillier than an otter on poppers, indeed < LeoNerd> mst: ... I'm stealing that phrase for Reasons % < huf> and now everything is made of urine? < mst> but we're pretty sure that with sufficient optree walking we've actually found the cat < huf> but it sounds like you've found the cat, possibly % <@Nicholas> the hope is that if something is mst-proof, it's likely to be proof against most other (possible) disasters? :-) % < mat> My experience with the pg planner is that from time to time, you think it's stupid, and you try to force it to do what you think is clever, and when it finally agrees to do what you want, you discover that it was indeed right to begin with. % -!- mst changed the topic of #chat to: Amanda palmer divorcing neil gaiman on patreon is tiger king for ukelele goths < Hecate> WAIT WHAT % our manager showed us a pot for her plant made out of wine corks she said they were just given to her i said we'll totally believe that and not assume it's because she's drinking 7 bottles of wine a day due to having to manage us % < veesh> hmm, apparently by giving pg something to think about, it just thought harder and came up with a better plan by itself < veesh> one day pg will become sentient and take over the world < veesh> if that hasn't already happened % < waiting> autarch: are you around? < autarch> yo < waiting> do you have a meeting on zoom? :D < autarch> oh shit % < xiaomiao> I've found one package that just dockers in the makefile < xiaomiao> "reproducible build" >_> < xiaomiao> ... the power of sed compells you! % < Altreus> perlbot: acrofind FUD < perlbot> Altreus: Fedora Users and Developers (Fedora Linux) < Altreus> That explains the uses I've seen of it % < nox> so now English, an official EU language, isn't an official national language in any EU country? < mst> nox: Ireland < Hecate> *angry boiled potato sounds* % < Obormot> Oh gosh, there's acrimony in the comments and I'm not even there % < Mithaldu_> also fuck that guy < Mithaldu_> may his floor forever be legos % < Grinnz> but yeah, mysql and php feel freakishly similar < Grinnz> if you look hard enough, you can find out exactly why some weird shit was done, but you're still left smashing your head into the wall % < erry> Mithaldu_: you seem to have summoned the void < Mithaldu_> apparently using facebook was the trick < mst> Content-Type: text/fhtagn < jmac> Zalgo has a patreon? good for t̵͚ĥ̴̨ę̶̧m̴͍ % < namespace> gwern: You broke the furry fandom man. < namespace> Congratulations. <@gwern> namespace: I am but a humble midwife of gans and tpu pods. arfa did most of the work % < mst> now you just need to port it to autobox < huf> a problem with that autobox thing. i dont know how to make it punch you in the face < mst> that would require tricking me into reading the source code again % < thrig> Firefox used to leak memory on the about:memory page * gordonfish puts a bucket under about:memory < gordonfish> (I got it from a hash that no one was using) < tilt> gordonfish: well i sure hope it's a bitbucket % < apotheon> gwern: How did you find something that starts with that horrible opening line I invented? < quanticle> That's autogenerated <@gwern> everything can be found in borges's library, apotheon % < FalseFoxes> I've been eating a wealth of chocolate lately -.o < nox> You a chocobillionaire or what < mst> surely then we'd have to eat *him* < FalseFoxes> Eh, more a fan of catapultism. Yeet the rich % < LeoNerd> Huh.. weird. I wonder why I thought it was missing then < genio> \o/ I don't need to do anything. I like those kinds of issues < LeoNerd> RESOLVED / OP-IS-A-MORON % < petern> I need to be a lert, yes. < pewterfish> not a loof. < Winterbay> Are lerts related to alots? < Rosemary> they are now :D % < veesh> someone turned off my server < veesh> i will literally slay them < veesh> actually, less bad, just a power outage * veesh puts away his sword % * Rembane furiously writes a petition to remove the word Canada from the species Canada goose for lack of politeness. < Widdershins> second petition to remove the word "goose" so everyone must refer to them as *vague hand gesture* "that bastard" % // UTC! UTC EVERYWHERE! pg.defaults.parseInputDatesAsUTC = true; pg.types.setTypeParser(1114, str => DayJS.utc(str).format()); % < mst> are you using DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler ? DBIx::Class::Migration ? DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned ? App::Sqitch ? four raccoons in a trench coat typing SQL into a serial console? BE SPECIFIC % < mst> Review comment: "much like watersports at an orgy, no matter how tempting it seems at the time, eventually somebody's bound to get splashed who wasn't prepared for it and won't appreciate it" < revhippie> i mean, we've all been there, but discussing it at work? nah. % < ether> mst: pft, you're so privileged you have your own timezone :) % * gwern starts upgrading his OS and CUDA for the first time in like half a year. if he doesn't make it back, he wants you all to just remember this... in `ln -s` the original file goes first, like `cp` % < Botje> ilmari: Your parents named you Mann::såker? Cruel! % * davel forgot lunch :( * murb lays a lays a salad wreath in memory of lunch. % < nshepperd2> my parallel-gpt seems to have learned to produce random base64 < nshepperd2> this is not quite what i wanted % < LeoNerd> "Ohyeah by the way, this thing you've never heard of: don't call it" < ether> "thing? what thing?" < LeoNerd> Let that be a lesson: Never document anything. It saves time in deprecating/deleting it afterwards % < xq> someone should write a generator for exim4 configs < thrig> m4 cf/exim.m4 conf.m4 > exim.conf < Botje> well volunteered. < Harzilein> is mta crossover fan fiction a thing now? % < mst> [["everything is neoliberalism" man bursts through the wall]] * Obormot instinctively tries to click on mst's link before realizing it's not PmWiki markup % < xmj> wicked exhibit: swedish democrats (far-right) turning pro-gay vs. swedish muslim population < xmj> i agree that putting both of them into a potato bag and using a baseball bat on it would probably improve things. % * pol recalls seeing a demo on "entry to a locked location" that had a lockpick buggering around for a few minutes and getting the door open, next up was two guys wiht a halligan bar and a fire axe - about 2 seconds to open the same door. "Sometimes elegance loses to pragmatism" % < feep> > be debating some mysticism guy on reddit < feep> > eventually just come out and say "please go ReadTheSequences" < feep> he's like: "yeah the other guy I'm arguing with linked the same thing" * feep : ~ingrouuup~ % < tm604> so apart from packet sizes, ordering, function/method used to send and receive, reliability and truncation... yes, udp is somewhat similar to tcp < LeoNerd> But what *did* the Romans ever do for us? % < nox> In the department of “nox is a man of addictions”, Duolingo is like “pls do at least 20 minutes or daily exercice”, % < Hazelesque> in other news, even ritalin can't stop the amazing distraction powers of #chat lol * Hazelesque tries to remember wtf I was going to say next % < Mithaldu_> just saw a video of a german protestor screaming at a cop about how Q has total control < Mithaldu_> the cop goes "Q from star trek next generation? yeah, he does." % < nox> I think I have a tweet about my cats unionising. % < aquanight> peopleHaveTroubleWithCamelCase? < tm604> if I wanted to deal with long words and Arbitrary Capitalisation, I'd run for president % <@gwern> phrenology is by definition a pseudoscience. when it works, we just call it neuroscience % <@gwern> and since the infrastructure is all set up, then if I want something else like boobs or something, I can spend another day labeling and get a million boobs etc % < haarg> Devel::Cover only works with code that stays in the symbol table and I had code that only existed in the symbol table if it had not been run < mst> hah < haarg> and yes mst, it is your fault % < aquanight> so what happens if you return \@_ < Grinnz> aquanight: ideally, someone puts spiders in your cereal for the rest of your life % < Walther> existence of subchannels implies the existence of domchannels, in this essay i will % < Grinnz> i worry about telling aquanight things sometimes < aquanight> I solemnly swear I am up to no good. % < Filipe95> you're not old, gwern < Filipe95> life begins at 40 < nshepperd2> and then ends three days later with a mysterious murder < nshepperd2> tragic % <@pete> I got my first power tool recently <@pete> the feeling of manliness was huge <@pete> except when I covered myself, a window, and the ceiling with molten plastic % < jmac> > → jmac joined (sid298869@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wisxxfvuckyovkuk) < jmac> Wow, rude, irccloud < mst> irccloud++ % < tm604> if someone can't remember how they normalised it in the first place they should pick the name off a list like anybody else < tm604> expecting to be able to type in a filename is sheer entitlement < Altreus> Indeed, that's what tab is for % < mst> tm604: ideally, every time somebody uses : in a filename a small but overweight gnome hits them with a mallet < tm604> mst: instead, everytime someone uses Gnome to create a filename, a small but overweight mallet ends up lodged in their colon % < LeoNerd> I can't stop < LeoNerd> # UV::Prepare->can('stop') failed < LeoNerd> I mean, literally. :) % <@gwern> 'the monk nshepperd once came to gwern, and quoted a paper about noisy learning - idgi. gwern thought for a time, and said, 'it is like learning something by reading a dozen blog posts written by overly-enthusiastic undergraduates'. and nshepperd was enlightened' % < nshepperd2> "If there is a footgun on the wall, by the end it must go off" chekhov's unexploitable v % < Grinnz> generally the best way to make your API maintainable is to say "pass what I documented is allowed, or you get to keep all three halves of the result" % < Grinnz> FWIW, rhel6 extended support ends november 30th < Grinnz> ... < Grinnz> sorry, it starts november 30th < Grinnz> *dammit* % < EvanCarroll> rhel6 is supported until 20204 thanks to CloudLinux < mst> 20204 is a pretty long way off, y'know < mst> systemd might even be stable by then < tianon> don't give IBM RedHat any ideas :D % < Grinnz> mysql's trigger implementation reminds me of its default column value implementation < Grinnz> in that it's just useful enough as long as you don't have more than one table or column % <@ilmari> brunost, smash, dill crisps, kaviar, remoulade, blåbæryltetøy, liquorice, crispbread, rye bread <@mohawk> ilmari, i want you to stop saying things that i don't understand but somehow still make me hungry % < kd> we had a pm for a while who went back to the sap team to pm there < kd> he complained that he missed us because the sap team were a bunch of stupid cunts < kd> otherwise very polite srilankan guy % rofl someone was denied access to a data center because he had a long walk from the parking lot in full sun and he got too hot before the mandatory temperature check "next time he will park closer" % <@LeoNerd> Oh lets reïnvent C++'s `friend` <@LeoNerd> that'll go well ;) <@LeoNerd> "C++ is a place in which your friends have access to your private members" % < genio> what did I just look at?! * Grinnz closes the tab, deletes it from his history, locks it, sets it on fire, and puts up warning signs < mst> Grinnz: "beware of the leopard" ? % < feep> doing a plain elements-only literal first < feep> then I'll do the regular spread operator, and then I have to decide whether I want to have "add bar spreader operator" in my git history forever % < LeoNerd> Purely to account for today's typo, I think I shall have to announce a "me too" dist management system called Module::Buidl < simcop2387> "Where did the dist manager touch you?" < LeoNerd> Where /didn't/ it??! % < Rosemary> apparently the hashtag #cummings was being removed, presumably due to overexcitable porn blockers < mst> "overexcited" just makes my brain think "fully erect porn blockers" :/ < Dom> Nah, just a bit premature % < xmj> systemd-hotel-californiad . . . the cousin of systemd-stockholmd % < erry> how bad is it to have alcohol during that meeting? < erry> i mean i can turn off my zoom video < erry> tho alcohol may not be strong enough < Kassandry> Just put it in a MLP:FIM sippy cup like a goddamned adult. % <@gwern> 'Death Stranding, Explained: Breaking Down the Complex ... Evolving Via Antimatter Extinction Events Doesn't Make Any Sense' < Khoth> It doesn't need to work, it just needs someone with a shitload of antimatter to think it'll work % < Betawolf> Apparently I had a LiveJournal account, huh. < Betawolf> HaveIBeenPwned is like a dredge for repressed memories. % < mst> yeah, I like that idea, but I think I'll save it for not-after-1am < mst> given my recent track record with late night releases is suboptimal ;) < Grinnz> it's 5pm somewhere, perfect time for a production deployment * mst deploys to Grinnz' production % < mst> you should see me try and explain C problems ... actually, no, you shouldn't, it's awful ;) < Grinnz> at least we'll be saved by the segfault a few words in < mst> ... assuming it compiles, yes :D % ... and that was the moment when I realized I was absentmidednly eating cat treats... on the good side, high quality, all meat ... ...but all the same ;D % < shminux> a convenient signal loss just before the separation < feep> that literally always happens < synthmeat> my bluetooth always starts cutting out when i pee too < two2theheadPC0> I'm sure we can blame 5G and Covid19 if we really try % < quanticle> >maybe people are clicking on the link? < quanticle> Whoa whoa whoa < quanticle> This is Hacker News, let's not get ahead of ourselves % < sobel> petaflot: why do you think a 2-bit value is going to be selective on a 50k row table? < mst> because there's a song about it: o/ where and an index: two bits! o/ * sobel fangs out % < petaflot> I am either too drunk or not drunk enough to fully appreciate your comment. therefore, I will copy/paste that comment and go get more drunk. then I'll be either too drunk to do anything (and wait until I'm less drunk), or drunk enough to do wonders. thank you % < RhodiumToad> what you want is to _define your problem_ - you will not solve it until you can express it in a way that is not vague < RhodiumToad> ??vague < pg_docbot> http://www.trout.me.uk/vague.jpg % < Kincaid> ok, it's warm.... < Winterbay> Too warm < Kincaid> *sudden velociraptor* < Kincaid> oops, wrong meme % < mst> ... on friday night when the protestors were out ... trump went and HID IN THE BUNKER UNDER THE WHITE HOUSE < mst> jesus wept < purl> YOU'RE NOT FUCKING HELPING. % < mdk> Just use valid html 5 will get you a fuck load of free pretty < mst> look, mate, you do remember I talked you into starting a fucking company because I didn't want to have to learn how to pretty, right? < mdk> I recall. Why do you think I have children and a drinking habit :P % < nox> Christian gilded dildo is the scientific term actually % < TBSliver> .... ok I've found my issue. < TBSliver> FUCKING ARSES. * TBSliver burns his perl install to the ground % < Botje> PKCS* is ancient enochian for 'pain and suffering' % < nox> In France the pavement gets broken to make barricades. < nox> But now we have scooters for that! % < phox> I am from Canada, living in the US, and one time a Canada Goose here decided to do what they do and intentionally play chicken with me on my road bike < phox> clearly did not correctly infer that I was Canadian % < ttkp> the problem with replacing the unix tradition is that it would be replaced by people who don't really know what they're doing < ttkp> and that's how you get things like systemd % < Grinnz> there are not a lot of rules, but there are rules < mst> yeah, but new TLDs get added any time somebody breaks out a checkbook < simcop2387> i'm still waiting on .fart to open up. I *need* to own clownpenis.fart % < alh> b 92 < alh> erg < alh> Well at least someone is now down a battle ship % < mst> though apparently I talk syntactically correct perl in my sleep < Kassandry> Yes. Surprisingly. And sometimes relevant to something I'm muttering about when fixing something while you're still asleep. < Kassandry> You corrected my log parsing regex. % * gwern looks at his next book, a statistics textbook. ah, it's written by a mathematician, which means he doesn't believe in crutches for the weak like 'graphs' or 'diagrams' or 'examples'. at least that makes it easy to crop % < Betawolf_> I'm mostly stuck back at de-colon-ising being a great word for pulling things out of your arse. < Betawolf_> People coming for my bookshelf can recolonise their suggestion. % < ggreer> during a social zoom last night, one person said she used to enjoy bike shares, but then she saw a naked dude riding one and she immediately cancelled her subscription % <@gwern> cursed Reddit submission: "Just sold some of my Counterstrike skins to make my first cryptocurrency investment!" * pie_ taps forehead % < erry> "you are muted" ye i know i'm not speaking i'm *chewing* < erry> i feel called out tho, i guess i eat super loud % < genio> Romanian is so easy to read, yet very hard to understand when spoken. < choroba> That's how I perceive French < simcop2387> GumbyBRAIN: Je suis Napoleon! < thrig> the privy is called waterloo % < huf> why doesnt the weather have a bugtracker? i'd like to open a ticket < huf> on behalf of my cat % <@cat-xeger> Oookay... I'm apparently trying to use 26.15GB of memory on my 16GB work laptop ... swapping madly, I expect. <@alh> :clippy: Hi! It sounds like you're trying to use Slack! % < StuckMojo> god now someone is asking about "US support hours" while there is a slide being shared that says "Support: 24/7" < Berge> Well, the US is indeed in need of support on many levels. < Berge> So it's a laudable thing to discuss. % < Grinnz> irccloud decided mns should be the same color as mst and so I am going to remain convinced that mst has been mostly debugging himself for the past half hour % 14 year old cat who gives zero fucks. Well, maybe 0.0125 fucks when adjusted for cat. Anyhoo. % Note to self, 10L of wine can't fit in the fridge. % * kraih attempts to code a cold beverage % <-- can't paste, clowns will get me % < ology> Aaaaaa. I'm back in the 90's. Now he wants me to fix his web page counters. But he migrated from a windows server to linux and the counter script is an exe. Fun times! < ether> I've heard good things about laudanum % < ether> huh, my monitor is groaning < ether> *ohai* surprise cat < ether> there is a sheepskin on a shelf behind my monitor and in front of the window that often becomes occupied without me noticing % < LeoNerd> SIGCHLDV < simcop2387> V? < LeoNerd> SEGV = Segmentation Violation < thrig> or the smegfault % < Grinnz> oh hey GumbyPAN < LeoNerd> ... my old friend < LeoNerd> It's come to talk with us again % < dbohdan> It appears that the only two #lw-* channels you can join without being registered on Freenode are #lw-fetish and #lw-politics < dbohdan> This could be a metaphor for something <@gwern> dbohdan: well, one is for sadists and the other is for masochists % * mst can't spell < purl> STUPIDY KILLS % Cassiel, despite being a kitten when he arrived, never did horrible things to my sewing. Archie, OTOH... came downstairs to a spiderweb one morning. % < erry> i don't understand the economy < ilmari> money is hard, let's go shopping! < ilmari> oh < ilmari> wait... % < rmmh> is zuckerberg still doing the eat-what-you-kill diet < Betawolf> Can a man survive on privacy and civil discourse? % southern rail: look we're called sourhern rail, and there is a railway, no? we don't get why people keep demanding trains on top of it, it's not called southern trains is it? yeah thought so, better take a bus % < gordonfish> { Updated my cpanm from 1.7044 to 1.7024 } Stop updating things from your TARDIS % < tom_m> that sounds like a bug in core, then? < ether> heresy! < hobbs> I think the answer is "yes, but knowing that doesn't really *help*" % * ether watches Callie snoozing in the evening sun, not two feet away from a mass of birds at the seed feeder < ether> "and the lion shall lie down with the lamb" % < buu> Let me tell about the time my rat walked on my keyboard and I got klined % < lechner> you know i was sceptical of Perl when I got started with Lintian. was i wrong! what a great language. < lechner> never before have I been able to do so many things, so quickly, using so little time in a style I like. % < cat-xeger> Hmm... what goes up, must coem down... but I'm not sure the kitten's figured out how that's going to work yet % < cat-xeger> I'm going to file that under "Well, the end result was down..." % < Discipulus_> conferences in the cloud are hosted by lando calrissian? < jberger> yeah, don't go to the evening reception dinner though :-P < jberger> I have a bad feeling about that % < martti> on the upside, I now figured out I was actually typing something dumb. < Koffa> wow... Irssi finally got the foot-in-the-mouth filter implemented? % Facebook - people you can’t stand in your family NextDoor - people you can’t stand in your neighborhood LinkedIn - people you can’t stand in your office Twitter - people you can’t stand in your ingroup (@random_eddie) % < toddr> I'm sure stupid client not stupid mst < mst> this time, yes < mst> always a difficult guess though :D < cat-xeger> Nah, it's not _stupid_ mst, it's _WTF_ mst? % < Hecate> mst: one more reason to move to Franc ethen < Hecate> *France < Hecate> monetary migrations do not solve such isues < Hecate> *issues fuck shit dick balls % < ether> 2020 is already such a rotten year, why would you make it worse by bringing schmorp into your life % <@saturn2> do you really want half of your porn to be upside down? < shawwn_> well yeah < shawwn_> doesn't everyone? % < xmj> doing math, one tends to become super happy when 1 finally resolves to 1 < xmj> because that means one has made an even number of errors along the way, that cancel each other out % < LeoNerd> Bah. Today's Freudian typoe is 'cagetory' < LeoNerd> I was obviously subconsciously thinking about putting Boris in prison % < mst> hence my still thinking he's been a daft bugger < LeoNerd> I heard that in my head in a Northern accent ;) < LeoNerd> Though sadly, your hairstyle prevents my mental picture from including a flat-cap % < pete> I’m currently at a hospital waiting to see the cardiologist, and the hospital has a McDonalds % < tenoke> this made me check body pillows and even more of the top results on google shopping are of nude anime girls than I would've predicted % < feep> gpt-4: "I'm sorry, I don't know what 'agentic behavior' is. Could you give me an example in the prompt?" < feep> and then the world ended... % * ilmari just realised that haiku would mean shark-cow in norwegian % < buZz> daemon: lol did you see, tiktok is doing a pump&dump of dogecoin < daemon> buZz, gotta love a pump n dump ;) < mst> "pump n dump" just makes me thing of enema fetishes < genio> Things not to Google for $1000, Alex. % < daemon> oh god ... I forgot to mark the thing it was executing as chmod +x * daemon hits head on desk % < mst> kraih: since when has "not supposed to" ever stopped me? :D < mst> (warranty? what warranty? I already voided that twelve commits ago ...) < veesh> you can't tell me what to do, it's 2020! < LeoNerd> void wantarray % < xenu> i don't understand what they're doing and i don't think they do either % < daemon> np and remember get all your friends using POE and spreading the greatness ;) < qwidj> heh..friends.. < thrig> got asyncing feeling about that % * LeoNerd just been on a 4hour zoom chat < ether> oof * ether hands LeoNerd a bourbon % * perigrin stares <@perigrin> I'm not sure if I'm more upset at the pun, or the fact I didn't get the pun immediately. % < dbohdan> If you make a social network for C programmers, call it "Valgrindr" % < warewolf> parmesan and I have an understanding. It continues to be delicious, and I continue to eat it. % < Obormot> Apparently understanding where ricotta comes from requires seven paragraphs about this fucker's adventures on a horse on Italy, followed by an eighth paragraph apologizing for, and justifying, the preceding seven % < mst> "nice virgin shit the bed" sounds like a moderately niche porn title < erry> i mean virgin media, and it's not sexy when they shit the bed, at all < Hecate> what a virgin move < Hecate> everyone knows you only shit the bed when Master says so. % < shmem> put your PHP back in its place for all who draw the PHP will die by the PHP (Matthew 26:52) % also I definitely want a condition system style debugging experience I can see how some programmers might want to just drop in to see what condition their condition was in. and then in production the dude ABENDs % < erry> there has to be a better way :sobs: < mst> erry: lxd can run containers inside containers, maybe more layers of docker would help? < erry> [docker-compose run sob] % <@saturn2> of course people are that dumb <@saturn2> have you ever met any people? % < mst> quanticle: have you ever watched an emacs user trying to exit vim? < mst> you might laugh but you know you're gonna feel bad about it later < quanticle> I *don't* feel bad about it later < quanticle> To me, it's like a video of a cat falling down % * mst 's brain crosses the streams, generates a mental image of namespace dressed as a catgirl falling down while trying to exit vim < namespace> Nya! * namespace kittenpouts % < namespace> Clearly the solution is for them to patch vim so that if you spam the keyboard at it, a prompt comes up asking if you're trying to exit. < mst> namespace: vim is a democracy, it treats inputs as voice, not exit % * namespace just opened vi and exited to make sure he remembered how % <@gwern> hm, didn't aella make money camming while solving quadratic equations? I bet a trans catgirl trying and failing to exit vim would raise some bucks <@gwern> as she gets more and more frustrated and nyus harder and harder % < nshepperd2> has anyone done an ai dungeon about trying to exit vim % < RiversHaveWings> eventually you fail so hard at exiting to destroy spacetime < RiversHaveWings> but it turns out you were in a simulation being run inside a vim plugin and now you have to exit the higher level of vim % < mst> I just have 'use MyProject::Class;' that uses lots of Import::Into < Getty> mst: that is what i will ACTUALLY do < Getty> EXACTLY that class name ;) < Getty> I didnt forced you to make Import::Into so that i NOT use it ;-) % sufficiently encapsulated insanity is indistinguishable from technology *from using Perl fixed it for you *deathglare* % <@gwern> yes indeed, it's just tricky to get it to reliably tap into its very impressive style transfer powers <@gwern> that's the frustrating thing. it's super obvious that it *can*, but like a cat, it won't % * perigrin mutters as his pxe servers don't appear to be working <@mst> did you leave milk out for them? <@perigrin> I thought so <@perigrin> systemd hides the saucers from me % < ether> or am I forgetting a chanserv thing again.. < BinGOs> there aren't any services on this network currently. < BinGOs> except mstserv < ether> usually that suffices, except when he's in the pub % * feep checks his long-term memory ie. logs % < Obormot> Boy, how about that surge in covid cases in Florida, eh < Obormot> NYC's gonna lose our #1 spot soon, at this rate < Obormot> It's a race to overtake us, between California and Florida < Obormot> With Texas putting in a good showing as well % of the dynamic languages, to me, perl>JS>python>ruby i mean syntax wise perl and ruby are very similar but then when it comes to the practical stuff ruby is uh.... yeah nevermind your assessment is fine :D % < buu> Personally I just store all my mutable state inside mst < buu> Then if I need to change it I just ask him < Grinnz> you've just described irc.perl.org % < Grinnz> same with mysql (iterating is not a thing) < mst> mysql_use_result < Grinnz> *augh* < mst> \o/ natural 20 % < kraih> .pm is limited to eu citizens, which is not a problem for me :) < mst> ... damnit < Grinnz> lol < kraih> *facepalm* % < nshepperd2> it's great that the easiest way to get access to the world's most powerful general ai is to sign up for a trpg service < mst> future, evenly distributed, etc. < nshepperd2> the future is already here, it just doesn't make any sense % < rsaarelm> I wonder if IRC will go the way of amateur HAM radio, everyone who's on IRC are people who were on IRC before 2010 and eventually it'll just be a bunch of septugenarians with dementia symptoms. < xmj> rsaarelm: the joke is this already happened % < Logos01> Remember; dropped ceilings are corporate's way of saying they don't *really* mean it when they present you with a locked door. % < simcop2387> don't forget the toilet paper usa co-founder that died yesterday after going on about it not being real too <@mst> if they're really toilet paper usa, why do they protest in diapers? < gordonfish> mst: It really Depends % < ttkp> leave me ALONE! I don't FEEL GOOD! < ttkp> that's why you need these drugs, cat % the cyrillic alphabet is just greek with the serial numbers filed off % god punishes the wicked with wsdl % < tom_m> try { ... } six { nothing to catch } lbw { the try block didn't even compile } % < nox> Or I could just have a microwave oven I guess, not like I'm going to cook a lot if I'm single and my mom is my neighbour lol. < nox> insert bernie.jpg "I am once again asking you to make me food" % * veesh does not enjoy being on fire < Grinnz> veesh: was even worse a decade or so ago, when almost all terminals defaulted to a native encoding instead * veesh prefers being on fire % < erry> do people really i'd do something that stupid :D < mst> how sure are you that you want us to answer that? < erry> fuck you :D % < simcop2387> aha, here we are https://i.imgur.com/wG51k7v.png < mst> I mean, that's just a java port of BOURNEGOL < Exodist> every time I see that brace/semicolon style part of me dies. < Exodist> usually the part that terminates lines. % < nshepperd2> electrons probably deserve to feel pain < nshepperd2> fuck 'em imo <@gwern> their fault for being so negative % < Hecate> I'll just have to buy less books < mst> *fewer books < Hecate> I will annex your bloody island and make you speak french again % < ether> the only Finnish I know is the phrase "your pants are falling down", which is not generally very useful % < thrig> or wiregaard, where old ipsec protocols drink mead until ragnarok winds around % < simcop2387> perlbot: give me a password < perlbot> simcop2387: GQagmXon45 < thrig> I find your lack of Hunter2 disturbing % < ggreer> I was watching a paul harrell video testing various household items to see if they were decent cover. for his bookshelf example, he had 100% obsolete tech books. I assume he got them for free < ggreer> turns out that java books are bulletproof % < Betawolf> I guess witches get apprentices to scrub out their cauldrons < lucidian> Betawolf: the cauldron is cast iron! don't wash it with soap!! % * ether scolds a bear out of the plum tree again < mst> the fact that you can get a bear to move by scolding it is peak ether <@ether> I wonder what the neighbours think when I shout "get out of here bear, we don't serve your kind here" % < vague> There's vegan bacon! (I think?) < ilmari> eww, facon < LeoNerd> facon is /the worst/ < LeoNerd> ... Wait, i've just remembered that surströmming exists % I look forward to reading these, but I just broke dev :-P % < zgu> i actually put a warning message that says "go home, you're drunk" in response to a certain type of malformed GPS data in production code a few years ago that i'm pretty sure the us army is still using % (one of the other variations, of cours, is "Why did my pillow just develop glowing eyes?") % < shawwwn> feep: haw haw you like the D < feep> yes < feep> yes I do < quanticle> shawwwn: Yeah, feep is all about the D % < Winterbay> Today I learned: If you find a security hole in PornHub you get sent a branded T-Shirt with the text "Looking for holes" on it :) % * xmj hyperbolically discounts timeless decisions % < nox> Why is it called revolution and not worker-owned coup % < Mithaldu_> ... < Mithaldu_> i hate people % < Logos01> Well that's enough to make me stop being an atheist. < Logos01> Just so I can have someone to blame for it all. < Logos01> <_< % <@gwern> listen, you can't just put on cat ears one day and start meowing and expect to be taken seriously < mst> gwern: NYAA! * gwern stares down at mst. kimochi warui. % < erry> from our slack "quote of the day" thing < erry> > @here Quote of the day: Some days I amaze myself, other days I put my keys in the fridge < erry> Just fucking @ me next time, damn % < nox> Mithaldu_: You're just jealous your first language isn't exotic < Mithaldu_> nox: what do you mean not exotic, other languages äppröpriäte oür ümläüts äll the time % new router fun ensues i only completely trashed my network once this time % < tilt> disconnected by those damn "services" ... i suspect they are in league with that infamous guy called "peer", who resets connections % <@ether> also, in the light of the news that "fecal plumes" are massive spreaders, I'm wondering if we're going to see a massive revolution in public toilets < mst> 2020: the year diaper fetishists turned out to be ahead of the game % w00t my filament is out for delivery today no one here liked my color choices: safety orange, royal blue so basically you're 3d printing a Michael Bay film that's the plan :P % < mdk> "For security Could you log into your account and tell us the last 3 transactions." "No." "Then You will fail the security check" "But my issue is that your online system wont let me log in." "Oh" "What's the 5th Direct debit on your list" "I don't know. I cannot log in" % < genio> *sigh* return unless $data =~ /^\s*(.*)/; % I work hard to cultivate my team telling me I'm being an idiot indeed, I tried asking someone to follow me around in slack muttering "memento mori" in my ear, but they just looked at me oddly and I haven't seen them since % < Logos01> So ... I think I'm forgetting how to put on shoes. % "This was a moment of joy and contemplation." "YOU BEAT HIS SKULL IN *WITH* HIS SKULL!" "Yes. It was the reasonable thing to do at the time." % < haarg> i have a coworker who uses ` as a delimiter for qw < haarg> with a newline in between < haarg> i'm a bit concerned they may be a psychopath % < mokulus> Why is R*ko's b*silisk discussion disallowed? < Khoth> because it turned out that the eternal torture was people talking about it % < feep> "WebAuthn?" "Gesundheit!" % < mst> "nah but I like infohazards" see this is why we set up #lw-fetish < vrs> wow harsh < mst> "that which can be detroyed by the truth should be" does actually include your erection % < Obormot> Humanity has made many wrong turns < Obormot> Coming down out of the trees, democracy, abandoning HyperCard % < mst> I mean, it's that sort of film - very good fun but ultimately junk food < nox> mst: Some people elevate it to worship AFAIK. < mst> nox: have you met people? they're stupid and have no taste < nox> mst: Not since 14 years ago when the pandemic started % < mohawk> which was more disappointing? duke nukem forever, or daikatana? < Khoth> in the sense of working on something from the 90s that should stay in the 90s, exactly like ndf < feep> nuke daikatana forever % < simcop2387> i think just using a fdw to do the whole thing makes most sense % <@mst> oh sweet summer cat ... * cat-xeger bites mst % <@ct> I continue to be baffled at the sheer number of places AWS is "we're built of cutting edge technology forged of pure ethereal energy and quantum mechanics... except for that part over there which is a see-n-say stuck on 'The Cow Goes Moo'" % <@gizmomathboy> how foundational is the "The Cow Goes Moo" in that stack? Are alternate animal sounds allowed? <@mst> [fatal] That's Not My Cow <@perigrin> The Sam Vimes deployment % < tom_m> we're hoping to experience all the possible bugs of three totally different redis implementations in the same production system, it'll be fun % < tilt> sometimes i use bash, but i write a warning at the top, "#!/bin/bash" % The cat insisted on a joint. % <@gwern> "dear twitter, I have just learned I have only weeks to live. I am grateful to have finally found a way to quit this hellsite" % * mdk enables an experimental feature in Chrome to do one small task. Me does task. Me watches as Chrome slowly munches through all Ram and all expanded disk-based RAM - like a plague of badly coded locusts % < kraih> the question was so vague it could be anything < kraih> mst would link the cat picture < ilmari> http://www.trout.me.uk/vague.jpg < ilmari> (yes I have a /vague command) % < galambo_> who do you guys like on lesswrong? < galambo_> I feel most of the old guard is gone now < nshepperd2> nobody really * nshepperd2 goes to greaterwrong to tend the downvote fields % < yanmaani> what if you hate both Poland and Sweden < mst> then you alternate between the two while cursing < Grinnz> that's just finnish % < mst> leont: oh, come on, select() works perfectly everywhere < mst> leont: scales really well too < mst> leont: somebody just needs to re-implement the C code in pure perl < leont> mst: You can go charstar yourself! % < Logos01> I had no power at all for 3 days because hurricane force winds + major urban center of state capital + *the fucking rocky mountains* == 3 Stooges Power Supply. % < jmac> Unrelatedly the IRC toy I've been working on involves, among other things, an keyword-generator for a channel's recent conversation, and this channel consistently makes the best results < jmac> Right now it's "blood test kangarona nox nurse" % < Obormot\Arcturus> The web is unfathomable and ineffable < Obormot\Arcturus> Who can say why anything is anything? < Obormot\Arcturus> Trust me - stick with the basics < Robomot> 403 Forbidden % < perigrin> I need to sort out plenv on this laptop < alh> perigrin: here: laptop on out plenv this % < ttkp> my wife is having a teleconference-appointment with one of her doctors < ttkp> at the moment they're holding their dogs up in front of the camera and making adoring noises at each other < ttkp> this pandemic lifestyle is better in some ways % < nshepperd>

is the best html tag and you can't make me change my mind < rmmh> < Khoth> % < xiaomiao> eh anyway: it took me a while to get to the interesting data, and my liver started hurting ;) % <@gwern> 'As "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" host Peter Gross once described Xmas: "Ah, yes, Christmas. That time of year when Jewish people celebrate the birth of the only Jewish son who actually lived up to his mother's expectations."' % < feep> also note that in this video, dj sharpnel is a cute anime girl <@gwern> man who isn't these days % < FalseFoxes> ... and the neighbors dog got in to my yard and porked my dog < FalseFoxes> >.<;;; < FalseFoxes> Time to see if the vet has doggy day after pills ffs. % < kraih> the PS5 is really terribly designed for stacking multiple consoles < kraih> why can't they all just make cubes < mst> kraih: maybe they'll do that for the NeXT generation % < davidstone> My computer just started ringing < davidstone> I have too many tabs open, I don't know who was calling me on what app % < thunder> wnat's the easiest way to get a list of core modules via the cli? < anno> ls ~/Documents/ < anno> bah < lopid> sure, if that's where you keep your modules… % < veesh> i had to set up a wildcard situation with namecheap once < veesh> that was unpleasant < mst> veesh: you might say you ... found yourself in a bind? < jberger> mst: booooo % < quanticle> Yeah, look, it's like a Japanese maid cafe but with Nazis < quanticle> Not my thing % < phaylon> a wrong sql query should panic, but app-schema-migrate ./phaylon-nude.jpeg should give the finger to the user % <@ilmari> speaking of which, I haven't watered my orchids in months <@ilmari> but I'm stuck under a wife now, so it'll have to wait % < mst> > If two Vegans have an argument is it still called a beef..... or is it a quornfrontation? < quicksilver> no, it's just a heated quinoasation < ilmari> careful, or you'll get a couscoussion % < Hecate> see you around, my dearest twatwaffles % *blows nose* *ear gets blocked instead* motherfucker % < xmj> mst: good lord, that moshe guy is verbose < mst> yes, but still interesting < mst> rather like us < xmj> how dare you. % -!- mode/#lesswrong [+q Holly9000!*@*] by gwern <@gwern> Holly9000: we expect bots here to be at least gpt-2-1.5b-finetuned quality. if you can't match #lesswrong-gpt quality, don't bother % < ology> What is "proper coffee"? :) < ilmari> "not starbucks" % < davidstone> I'm more interested in a chest full of treasure < davidstone> Hmm wait no that sounds like a lactation fetish I take it back < davidstone> ctrl+z % <@Nicholas> so mariadb has integer wrapped, sqlite has truncated, and postgres presumably still thinks that it is an error <@Nicholas> (and Oracle refuses to answer until you give it a credit card) % < ilmari> typo of the day: slugify -> slutify < pirateFinn> ilmari: That turns them into pornhub URLs % < Quin> Side note: this is Ovid. "Quin" is short for "Quintialin", a Roman orator. And yes, I was overthinking it :) < ilmari> Ovid is Quincognito :) < mst> ilmari-- % < erry> it's 2035, covid is still raging the lands < erry> we all live in communities managed by amazon where we're each allowed a capsule hotel style pod < erry> go back to work at your allocated Amazon(TM) Web Factory, Denizen. % < dbohdan> Obormot\Arcturus: I didn't mean you personally < mst> dbohdan: he's a New Yorker obviously everything is about him personally < mst> if you're not already like that you get an implant when you move there < mst> comes with a free pamphlet explaining why to hate DeBlasio % <@gwern> 'the web designer of the future will be a web dev, a large neural network, and a trained cat. The neural network optimizes design based on traffic, and the cat distracts the developer if he moves towards the laptop.' % <@cat-xeger> Why is it so bloody hard to find decent balls on amazon? % Me in a tiggerishly good mood seems to _really_ disturb people They don't say "why are you in a good mood" -- it's "who are you going to disembowel" or "did you kill somebody?" % < quanticle> "How do you pronounce Haskell?" "Go to a karate dojo and ask the meanest, toughest fighter there to punch you right in the balls. The sound you make is how Haskell should be pronounced." % < Betawolf> This isn't the 1970s anymore. We have methods for talking to Finns now. All you need is to carve the question into the snow, place an offering, and return the next day to check the bark for a reply. % Oh what the fuck Last Night Drunk Lacey. Why did you put pickle juice in my drink bottle? % Of course, I would never strike another person in such a state; well, perhaps in Illinois. % < sobel> PHP's implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order. For consistency with explode(), however, it is deprecated not to use the documented order of arguments. < sobel> just...pass the wrong args, nbd % * Kassandry sips everclear coke, puffs on a joint, and schools people in the fine art of actually reading the fucking core dump % That moment when you realize that the company you work for got DDoS'd by its own product. % < mishanti1> Last I worked with MySQL (3.23 I think?) you couldn't even rely on it storing your data, so my knowledge about it is vastly outdated. Postgresql has been the go-to. % < joepie91> only with very rigid bags it doesn't work < Zr40> it doesn't even feel sticky to the touch % < erry> fuck you wordpress site < mst> erry: you missed an h in the last word there < erry> how will we ever pass an external pentest like this < mst> bribery? % < pompolic> is it a perverse incentive if it increases the total amount of catgirls in the world? % * mst was so offended he nearly challenged Geo to handbags at dawn. * GeoSTI moves jacket from handbag < GeoSTI> I'm your Burberry. % < erry> my colleague made a PR to increase the ram of one service and named the pr 'download more ram' < erry> someone give him a raise and a promotion % <@saturn2> what does linguistics have to do with 3d printer firmware < feep> I AM SO GLAD YOU ASKED <@saturn2> oh no < feep> >:D % < ether> I need to come up with an async project so I can name it Godot % < xmj> mst, as much as this annoys me i think you're right % <@mst> I need to introduce kassandry to proper fish and chips at some point <@ether> now I want some smoked kippers <@mst> and then you'll be back for breakfast? <@ether> *what a guy* % < phaylon> gah. my head would really appreciate it if the weather would stop oscillating between warm and cold and wet and dry < phaylon> so clogged up today I didn't even hear the delivery guy ringing the bell. and they tend to make noise like they're chased by wolves % -!- Topic for #chat: The sys in sysadmin actually stands for sisyphus -!- Topic set by mst < quicksilver> mst: every time I read /topic, I read it as "The sys in sysadmin actually stands for syphilis" % <@vmbrasseur> whoa <@vmbrasseur> A wild sungo appears! <3 <@vmbrasseur> I've missed you, man. <@sungo> yes. you have underpaid your assassins % < mst> I keep getting annoyed by the fact that the NC treasonweasel appreciation society is called the Sons of Confederate Veterans and therefore gets abbreviated to SCV < mst> get the fuck off my starcraft lore, treasonweasels % < erry> i have a haunted git branch < Kassandry> PM: You finished that sprint early. Way to go! Dev: Git's haunted. PM: What? Dev: *loads up git-fsck* Git's haunted. < mst> Junior Dev: Git's haunted. PM: What? Senior Dev: Always was. % < davidstone> If I made a mixed drink, I'd name it "The Relationship" < davidstone> With the prefered way to order it being "on the rocks" % Tiger got to hunt, Bird got to fly; Lisper got to sit and wonder, (Y (Y Y))? -- Kurt Vonnegut, modified by Darius Bacon % < aquanight> why -!- whynot [~whynot@37.73.185.28] has quit [Quit: leaving] < aquanight> .. < aquanight> okay was that just a well-timed quit or am I losing it? % < sobel> they did a great job of getting right to their failure to provide me a working network % < two2thehead> hmm. Sean Connery died <@gwern> no he didn't he just went undercover < two2thehead> I've heard of method acting, but this is ridiculous :^) < nshepperd2> 6 feet undercover, very dedicated % <@sungo> decaf gives me migraines either way. I assume it's because my brain is aware I fed it coffee that's not coffee and is exacting revenge % <@gwern> c60 olive oil is dumb and always was dumb, but enough people believed it I ought to broadcast its failure to replicate as a PSA < nshepperd2> i assume that's not olive oil with fullerenes in it <@gwern> in a just world, it would not be ... just not this world % Fair play, whatever keeps you sane! Oh wait... % Error: Protocol mismatch: Packet of form Allegation> can not be accepted wthout negotiating protocol extension Lawyer. This machine does not grant access rights for a search. -- KassandrAI % < Obormot> gwern: We didn't have this complaint when we didn't have dark mode <@gwern> true, we had complaints about a lack of dark mode < Obormot> gwern: Maybe users don't deserve dark mode % < feep> also! I have come up with a language feature so simultaneously brilliant and daft that ever since I told Ralith about it he's been completely ignoring me < feep> allow me to share with you its brilliance % < ether> anglais est difficile < ether> allons faire shopping % * ether quickly rescues her rubber newt from the cat % <@saturn2> wireheaded in the butt by my own GAN % < LeoNerd> "We apologise to passengers alighting at Slough. There's nothing wrong with the service, it's just that you will be in Slough" % < peerce> wow, that was 2007 ? time flies. < mst> like an arrow < peerce> fruit flies like a banana < mst> \o/ % < Hecate> haskell.foundation !!! < Hecate> !!!!! < Hecate> eeeeeeee < Hecate> *anime catgirl noises* % < cousteau> when I don't have write permission on a file, I just cover the Ethernet connector with tape < LeoNerd> Ahyes, the good old "chmod +w cellotape" < mst> no, sellotape - ethernet is binary. cellotape is for strings % <@gwern> ...did I just get a mushroom flair on /r/psychology? < Betawolf> okay, I'll say it. It's because they think you're a fungi. % Saw a picture of a cat earlier with one of those shame signs that said "I peed on the hamster" and my first thought was "I didn't know Richard Hammond was into that" % < Juerd> Perl is an old language and there are some annoying things you need to work around if you want to keep your sanity. < plant_enjoyer> it's kinda cool though! like getting your dad's old guitar from the attic, lol % > It will never cease to amaze me that Google had the sense to make Go errors > into return values, but did so with a product type rather than a sum type. They're a product oriented company that believes in zero sum competition? % < quanticle> You see the fuzziness around the edges? You cannot accurately determine the cat's position if you know its momentum and if you do then you can't accurately determine its position. You've heard of Schrodinger's Cat, but what we have here is Heisenberg's Cat. % < mst> I'm busy hacking a different sort of lisp :D < LeoNerd> Liþp < xenu> lisp is all about (((parens))) < LeoNerd> Lisp Is Substantially Parens % < pie_> only reason i know who won the election is because my friend's girlfriend told me they had celebratory sex < saturn2> lol < Betawolf> oh god, 'Biden babies' might be a thing % < simcop2387> thank you for not breast feeding the mind flayer % < SpiceMan> can there be a thought without an object? < mst> in a channel of pedants, no matter the thought, *somebody* will object < mst> ... usually xenu < xenu> not true % < Winterbay> Was unable to play the "comedy of the week" podcast and so went to the BBC website to do it instead and it said it's not available in my location so went and checked what my IP maps to and apparently I'm in Spain today % < dkf> Anyway, time for breakfast! < stevel> "If you want to do 3 impossible things before breakfast ...." < RhodiumToad> "If you've done 6 impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways..." % < erry> "There's a lot to unpack here but let's just burn the whole suitcase" % < sobel> where are you seeing Dear ImGui hype? < mst> sobel: Orange Site Bad. < sobel> haha < sobel> DIDS % <@cat-xeger> ... did the appropriate 'waft' thing for every. single. bloody. bottle but the very last one. <@cat-xeger> Predictably, it was the last bottle that had ammonia in it. < Rosemary> we've all done that, usually exactly once. % < LeoNerd> *headdesk* < LeoNerd> Hands up who forgot to `debrelease` after a ~10 minute build cycle, before tidying up the build directory * LeoNerd <== this guy % < Kincaid> my Dad's old school had to call in the bomb squad for a bottle of picric acid found when they were demolishing the old labs < Kincaid> I think it's a legal requirement of chem departments to do this < Kincaid> also a lake of mercury from 100 years of dropped thermometers % To kill a French vampire you need to drive a baguette through its heart. Sounds easy but the process is painstaking. -- @Daveastated on twitter % < ilmari> the lord yeeteth, and the lord yoinketh away - gen z bible % < simcop2387> eh any language is fine, but if no one else speaks it then you probably won't get the help you need. < simcop2387> or some smart ass will respond to you in esperanto < LeoNerd> Mi jus pensis pri tion! % * pol recalls when his grandfather died < pol> We had to phone the plant he'd worked at < pol> "Send us a hazmat team" % < Mithaldu_> that twitter account tweeted "pedo" at vowsh and i can't tell if it's an accusation or an invitation % * leont_ once told Larry that when I read about how globs worked I had assumed I misunderstood. His reply "I'm sorry about that" :-p % < leont_> ilmari: you need to nominate yourself for core team membership < ilmari> leont_: do I _have_ to? < ether> yes * ether gets out the shotgun and marches you to the altar % < mst> Botje: it didn't disco, just dropped the socket < ilmari> mst: in the bathtub? < gordonfish> ilmari: mmm, I smell toast < simcop2387> gordonfish: sounds like a stroke % * leont_ still believes that at the next YAPC, we should convince someone to brew a perl5 porter ;-) < leont_> How hard can it be to convince a British sponsor to fund that? < BinGOs> perl5 porter: strong, smooth and disagreeable % < huf> you can just flush it with $fh->autoflush($_) for 1, 0; < gordonfish> huf: Isn't that just $fh->flush ? < mst> select((select($fh), $| = 1, $| = 0)[0]); < huf> well now, that's a sight for sore eyes % < RhodiumToad> meh < RhodiumToad> death to fontconfig * RhodiumToad will stick to xterm % < shawwwn> If he’s not doing something, the kitchen is where he stands < shawwwn> Other family members started making fun of him a bit. “Behind every great man, there’s a drawer I need to get into and why are you even in the kitchen” % <@gwern> "BigGAN, rick?" "It's a goddamn GAN, Morty! You little shit, you made the LR too low! let me show you *true hyperparameter tuning*" % < RiversHaveWings> there are two dashboards and one is up and the developer.apple.com one is down <@gwern> does the up dashboard report that the down dashboard is down < RiversHaveWings> it isn't on it % < shawwwn> Flying over the ocean is terrifying. If you run out of fuel you’re done < shawwwn> I’m not sure why planes aren’t falling out of the air every day <@mjr> Well, to start with, they generally tend to fuel the planes. % < mst> it's not like anybody who's worked for mdk is exactly manageable < mst> you just sort of have to aim us in a general direction and hope < quicksilver> I don't know what effect these cats will have upon the enemy, but, by God, they frighten me % < ilmari> there's also the other meaning of "mean" < Hecate> ilmari: stop being so average < ilmari> wel, _an_ other meaning… < ilmari> Hecate: what do you mean? % < quicksilver> any feature, however contorted, which allows mst to answer questions honestly with "*sigh* unzip", is a win % < simcop2387> it'll be difficult to find anyone with Trebek's panache < ether> I wouldn't be surprised if they killed the show entirely < mst> you mean you think it's ... in jeopardy? < ether> *sigh* % < Grinnz> what the absolute fuck are you... oh, vi % * Zr40 just met a cute little spider and let it be < Zr40> I hope it catches many silverfish (-: % < joepie91> I am reminded of the handful of companies which, when you create an account, send you two e-mails < joepie91> one containing your username, the other containing your password < joepie91> "for security reasons" % < castaway> .. well that was fun.. < mst> web design always is < castaway> this is why Im trying to avoid it ;) % < Betawolf> Yes, Mr Blobby is a 6-foot-tall pink monster that haunted British gameshows. He would randomly assault the contestants, sometimes throwing things, sometimes putting people into chokeholds. Nobody knows what he wants except perhaps Noel Edmunds. Kids love him. % < chloekek> IIRC Italy used to have different tariff for electricity used for lighting and electricity used for powering other utilities < chloekek> So people came up with circuits to make their non-lighting use count as lighting % < quanticle> So what you're saying is that, unlike China, which has a stealth fighter but no engine, Japan has an engine, but no stealth fighter? % < joepie91> speaking of servers, time for my migration, for real this time * joepie91 is tired of dry-running it < joepie91> actual downtime should be like 10-15 minutes tops :P < joepie91> though "should" is doing a lot of work in that sentence... % < joepie91> systemd-coredump[21574]: Process 21572 (sendmail) dumped core. < joepie91> ... of course it did. * joepie91 ejects computer from window < joepie91> time for a new hobby. % < nox> Kassandry: Obviously Archer is sad T'Pol isn't coming < mst> vulcans are tricky to make orgasm most of the time, yeah < Kassandry> Goddamnit, I just choked on my bourbon. % < Betawolf> Internal rhyming is okay, it's when you break into epic verse that the waiter taking your order starts to get that concerned look. % < Doc> wish we could neutralize the riaa < mst> Doc: with an acid bath, yes < Doc> i approve of this addition < ilmari> mst: so you're saying the riaa is basic? % * gwern copies the DOI for this shannon paper from sci-hub and belatedly notices that '10.1234/12345678' *might* not be a real DOI % < Kincaid> just use an excel sheet and access it it with a VBA wrapper < pewterfish> *bonk* Go to Excel jail < Kincaid> I'm fine, I'm the 65,537th person to do it % < bomb> I'm available for hire if you want an enterprise-ready solution to that problem, written in Spring + Hadoop. < sobel> i'm not ready for that much power :P * bomb slowly holsters his kubernetes % < capitol> Do you like yaml? - A question that can be answered Yes or Norway % * quanticle looks at mst like a parent who is proud of their child, but doesn't exactly know why he should be proud. < quanticle> Congratulations on winning your uh... < quanticle> whatever it is you won % < sobel> hehe, that garbage xml that configures my legacy app: just made chrome pause hard when i loaded it < joepie91> chrome was probably briefly reconsidering its life choices < sobel> chrome is almost smart enough that i feel bad about making it do that % <@pete> I did 8 years of Latin at school and am pleased to report I have no idea what that says % < Exodist> Her parents were so conservative that she had this conversation: Her Mom: "Gay relationships are wrong because it is so unnatural how gay men have sex!" her: "You know straight people have anal sex too right?" her mom *horrified*: "No, I do not believe that!" % < buu> $m->comp('SELF:login', < buu> wtf mason < mason> Whaaaaaa....? < buu> this is all your fault % < synthmeat> "why did the console peasant cross the road? to render the building on the other side." % < Betawolf> the best way is to assassinate them _before_ they're elected < dbohdan> Have enough of that, and you don't need elections. You can replace Election Day with Assassination Market Betting Day. % < sobel> if you can spell Louisiana, you're not from Louisiana % tfw someone in the werewolf game says my reads suck that's why i use LOGIC and not READS "EVEN THO ERRY IS TRUSTED THAT DOESN'T MEAN HIS READS ARE GOOD" i will print and frame this % < Zr40> RETURNS NULL ON NON NULL INPUT < kwispel> RETURNS NULL ON NON NULL OR NULL INPUT < sobel> RETURNS NULL ALWAYS < RhodiumToad> WHY ARE YOU CALLING THIS FUNCTION ANYWAY % < mst> if I can't get features in directly I can weave them through < ilmari> a weft move, by a warped mind :) < mst> I resemble that remark :D < ilmari> as long as there isn't a /kick looming % < mst> but it'll as short for 'it will' is perfectly cromulent english < BinGOs> Information Technology Infrastructure Library? ITIL never happen! * BinGOs gets his coat. < gordonfish> Don't forget your tea and cromulents % < mst> if you wait long enough I'll get annoyed and write an Operator::Declare and then you'll wish you'd done it sooner < LeoNerd> "I might as well give you some rope to hang yourself with, because otherwise people will use Cat5 cable instead" % < buu> NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE % < ggreer> I stumbled on a function called "readCache". it writes to a cache :( % < Obormot> ... * Obormot stares at the shipping info form on aliexpress < Obormot> "Name. Example: Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich" < Obormot> Aliexpress what are you trying to say here % < LeoNerd> Annoyingly I don't have an automated tweet client so I'll have to tweet it live, manually, by hand. Like some sort of peasant % < nperez> patches welcome? ;-) < hobbs> I might, but I can't just send one off without researching exactly what the differences are, which sounds like a hole full of rabbit % 00:22 < erry> ok! tonight i'll fall asleep in 10min and sleep until 8 am like a baby! 08:15 < erry> hey it worked 08:15 < erry> :o % < quanticle> Also, from the article on Dushanbe: "meaning Monday in Persian" < quanticle> Can you imagine living in a city called "Monday"? < quanticle> Whoever named this city must not have been a fan of it. < quanticle> "Fuck this place, I'm calling it Monday" % < nox> French police is going to ask your joke its ID for being too dark % < Grinnz> Who fucking put a BOM in this column data % < jberger> ize? dunno, mst is rubbing off on me maybe (and that's terrifying) % < erry> i spilled water down my desk where the power plug thingy is < erry> It mostly went down the desk itself tho < erry> so probably fine(?) < Hecate> erry: if you suddenly disconnect, we will know it was not :P % <@hobbs> New "weird chinese brand made up for Amazon" list entry: Officygnet <@hobbs> Also fezlens <@mst> hobbs: fezlens are cool <@hobbs> More into the bowties myself % < quanticle> Same origin policy in a nutshell: BABA YAGA IS OPPOSED! < mst> quanticle: no tag soup for you! < quanticle> More like NO JSON FOR YOU COME BACK ONE YEAR WITH CROSS ORIGIN HEADER % < LeoNerd> I have a 40minute slot, aiming at 35 minutes of recorded talk + 5 minutes live Q/A at the end. First draft of my talk slides recorded in 26minutes. Second draft comes in at 40m 40s. < LeoNerd> Excellent. Now I can implement binary search. % * Neth sighs in american. < Kincaid> does that involve gunfire? % < simcop2387> oh i see i thought you were saying that assuming things worked < huf> no, it obviously doesnt, which is why excel does it that way % < sobel> I wonder if Microsoft's "edge" predates Lovense's? % < mknod> the perldoc didn't find anything on "rewind" < LeoNerd> Hrm... < LeoNerd> Wow, weird. That's a bit of stdio that perl doesn't wrap :( < huf> perl is a bad blockbusters customer % < buu> someone give me a tab supporting perltidy rc file < xenu> by 'tab' you mean that key that produces 4 spaces? < LeoNerd> :set sw=4 ;) % < Hecate> yes I'm much more familiar with perineum % < sobel> I don't understand sober people sometimes % < mst> discussion of postgresql, friend says "the auld master of the post" * mst replies "nor rain nor snow nor glom of nit" < Kincaid> just don't arsk about: < mst> mysql % < spxtr> Why not use systemd? <@gwern> did you just tell me to go fuck myself? % * perigrin just realizes what the other team did and stares in horror oh thank god, it's not as bad as I thought it's just stupid, not horrifyingly stupid % < xiaomiao> lots of performative management :\ < xiaomiao> "we have a roadmap, that's enough - what do you mean *follow* the roadmap? that's inflexible!" < xiaomiao> [angry mountain german] % < nox> I will forever have some respect for covid because now way more women are acting on the fact that they don't want to wear bras % 00:15 -!- cryptid_collector has joined #perl 00:33 -!- cryptid_collector has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 00:56 <@simcop2387> i know there are fewer of us than ever, but bigfoot hunters coming for perl programmers? really? % * xmj slaps mst < xmj> stop being right % < david_> Does anyone else find it ironic that a company named "Johnson and Johnson" was accused of giving strokes? % < Grinnz> leont: it's gotten so bad, i had an mst thought % < Obormot\Arcturus> gwern: So? What is a wet bar? < gwern> Obormot\Arcturus: it's a home bar... which has a sink < mst> if you leave the room and come back, does that make it a rebar? * feep bars mst from puns % < dbohdan> LDS microdosing (to ward off unclean spirits) % What the fuck did this guy do? What is a FocusTraversalPolicy? Ugh % < mst> fucking newfangled electrickery < LeoNerd> Yeah that's a perl 5.12ism < LeoNerd> I had expected everything would cope nicely by now < Grinnz> well my brain doesn't yet :P % < gwern> "well, geoff said, it all started when I said californian voters would approve any idea, no matter how stupid, if it sounded good..." % < ether> I don't want to think about the tooling changes for renaming branches < Grinnz> ideally, "update minting profile to set the default branch name, everything else works based on git branch config", in practice "ohgod everything's made of hardcoded bees" % <@jess> im saying i dont want us to and unfortunately i have the privilege of deciding a conversation isn't ok to have here * mst distracts the channel by starting a conversation about politics <@li> May Suddenly Troll % <+fChanX> Me and my best friend had a massive fight after drinking loads of sangria. o_o <+fChanX> So now we call it angrya. % < Obormot\Arcturus> MY NAME IS OBORMOT < Obormot\Gaia> FOR WE < Obormot\Sirius> ARE < Obormot\Arcturus> MANY % < xmj> I'm German. Gas is metered. < xmj> You make a Hitler joke in my vicinity, you pay the bloddy gas bill. % < huf> blame covid < huf> stupid nato vaccines chipped mst and now he's nicer < huf> soon we'll have to send him on an insensitivity training course % < Altreus> RaiseError => 0 is ErrorsAreAcceptableToMe => 1 < LeoNerd> ON ERROR RESUME NEXT < Altreus> PHP => 1 % < mst> ON DUPLICATE KEY DO INSTEAD CRY AT THE VERBOSITY OF STANDARD SQL < zgu> mst: i think you mean 'CRY FROM LEFT AND RIGHT EYES AT LANGUAGE ATTRIBUTE VERBOSITY OF SQL AS SPECIFIED BY STANDARD' < thrig> pretty sure you need a CROSS JOIN to involve both eyes % < revhippie> i hate our software so much < buZz> delete it < buZz> revhippie: start with removing the french files < buZz> rm -fr / % < velix> Help! My postgresql is drunk! % < Altreus> wtf if I dump a $hashref I get a shitload of warnings and a completely different error from if I remove the debug statement < Botje> hashref is cursed. % < qed2> I just learned today that people eat more bananas than monkeys < qed2> it makes sense, I do not remember when I ate a monkey lately % < mst> o< o< o< o< o< quaaaack < Zr40> >o < mst> "Quack Different" < Zr40> quacktime % <@jess> unrealircd is blowjobs solanum is the superior solution <@jess> jk unrealircd is good too, pissnet for life < mst> petition to rename unreal to omorashircd % < Altreus> Pretty sure it's rude to yell at people for their disorders < Adura> Unless it's hearing loss. % If played correctly, both video poker and blackjack give you a slight advantage over the house. But getting a whole table to play blackjack correctly is like herding cats. Drunk, coked up cats. - /u/Creme_Bru-Doggs % * gwern whips his head around. so, there *is* a vole under his oven again! looks a lot smaller than the one a few months ago, so either it's been on a serious diet or it's a vole new story... % < kwispel> my bread maker asks me to fill in the ending time < kwispel> my previous dish washer just had a start button < joepie91> my dishwasher still has a ratchety knob < pedja> that sonds like something May would call Clarkson % < Zr40> turns out "The watchOS update couldn't be verified because you are not connected to the internet." really means "caches were purged to make room to install update and the caches included the update image" * Zr40 will have to finish his podcast queue first % < LeoNerd> VTerm::PROP_CURSORSHAPE_BLOCK => Term::CURSORSHAPE_BLOCK, < LeoNerd> VTerm::PROP_CURSORSHAPE_UNDERLINE => Term::CURSORSHAPE_UNDER, < LeoNerd> VTerm::PROP_CURSORSHAPE_BAR_LEFT => Term::CURSORSHAPE_LEFT_BAR, < LeoNerd> you wouldn't think the same author wrote both libraries, would you? % < mst> LeoNerd: right, I've figured out how to fatpack .so files :D < LeoNerd> ... *blink* < LeoNerd> How... (and bear in mind this is /me/ who is asking)... How in the everloving-$EXPLETIVES[rand @EXPLETIVES] did you manage that? % :D i told my boss off cause he opened his slack on his time off >:( % < kiboneu> btw i am a nyc resident now < mst> kiboneu: I'm so sorry < Betawolf> please know there is support available for you, it doesn't have to end this way. % * mst remembers the NYC pedestrian rules: < mst> green light - all cars are going to try to kill you < mst> red light - all taxis are going to try to kill you < kiboneu> it helps wake me up on my way to work % <+blkshp> Anyone had any trouble with [18:58:11] ban me <+mst> blkshp: I have a tendency to respond with "I'm not helping you with your humiliation fetish, go hire a pro-domme already" * blkshp saves that to an alias. % the covid study is now asking you to take a pcr test if you feel depressed nah, mate, i don't think that's covid unless i've had it for 28 years % <@ilmari> today's silly code: `eval { ... } or die @$;` % < LeoNerd> Heh.. some amusing function names in there. SvIV_please_nomg < LeoNerd> "No magic please, we're British" % < LeoNerd> I'll just go and #define PERL_NO_GET_CONTEXT at the top of Tickit.xs (a ~4.1k line file) and see what breaks. How bad can it be..? < LeoNerd> ... Oh % < qed> Spelling bee judge: "Your word is 'seaward'." < qed> Contestant: "C-U-N..." < qed> Judge: "DEAR GOD PLEASE STOP. % < genio> I won't put mst's vaguecat in $work Slack. I won't put mst's vaguecat in $work Slack. I won't ... fuck it. % < feep> the hacker news discussion resolved amicably! < ggreer> O_O < feep> I am amazed also < feep> (please no commenty) % Hahahahaha ... reason for the office move delay ... COO went to the department of buildings to file the official move paperwork and the department was locked. Apparently nobody showed up to work there today. % < ggreer> I got $100 off my bedframe for leaving a good yelp review < gwern> wow < gwern> (traitor) < ggreer> I edited the review to say "I got $100 off for leaving this review" % < Juerd> Just encountered in actual production code: grep 1, @x < Juerd> Fortunately, @x does indeed only ever contain the number 1. % <+She> I was promised that I was going to be magnetic. I was looking forward to being inherently hazardous to datacenters. I foresaw a future of glorious data-terrorism ahead of me. And all I got was a slight fever. % < shawwwn> stop reading my mind < kuudes> you have to wear more layers of tinfoil % < qed> My mate just deleted his Facebook account < qed> We will not see his likes again. % The zoo director noticed that one of the elephants was coughing. So he decided to add vodka to this elephant's bucket of water. The next morning that elephant was completely healthy, but the other three elephants began to cough. (Russian joke, precise origin unknown) % I, OTOH, recovered from yesterdays migraine in time for last night's insomnia % < xenu> the only purpose of $@ prototype is to cause bugs < mst> xenu: you mean ... $@ is usually an error? < mst> I think anybody who's ever used eval already knew that * ether ಠ_ಠ % <+Roey> My girlfriend was infatuated with roofing equipment so I gave her an ultimatum: it's either me or the equipment. <+Roey> She chose the ladder. % < mst> AbleBacon: anthropomorphisation of specific code elements is helpful in order to personally hate them to the level they deserve <+AbleBacon> ah, well i've definitely referred to gstreamer as a "fucking bastard" so that makes sense % you want an odd type of pain? try to deploy a kubernetes cluster on a bank of servers reclaimed from a network engineering conference ... every part of that sentence was cursed % < Hecate> thing said today in standup meeting < Hecate> "Alright, enough perl slander, the developers might hear us. After all, we all have perl installed on our machines." % < quanticle> Good news: our AWACs folks are messaging each other on a bandwidth-saving text-oriented protocol < quanticle> Bad news: the bandwidth-saving text-oriented protocol is IRC < quanticle> Worse news: their IRC client is mIRC % < xiaomiao> that's like Vodafone terminating the 'old' KabelDeutschland peerings "because we have enough capacity" < xiaomiao> hint: they didn't % * LeoNerd observes that the expression c/c++ is UB in both C and C++ % < thrig> ... production alarm fires as totally different team using a totally different language write the exact same bug as the old code had ... < thrig> luckily someone wrote a little perl script to look for this condition after the first time it happened % < saturn2> if i needed to gaze into my pants i would go in the bathroom < PapuaHardyNet> if you gaze too long into the void, the void gazes back < mst> just don't dereference the void < mst> that's undefined behaviour % watching other people shag is not my thing at all last time I had two female attendees decide to fuck at a house party my reaction was "good, they're enjoying themselves" and I went to sleep brought them cups of tea in the morning mind, I am an english host ;) % < leitz> I'm not at audrey level, certainly. Not even at "mst after a heavy drinking weekend with no sleep" level. % <@DrHyde> How's Thursday the 30th for everyone who I like? <@ilmari> works for me * mst would check his calendar but is already excluded by both geography and the phrasing of the question % < Grinnz> what happened to openssl 2? < LeoNerd> Grinnz: Perhaps it got {Perl,PHP,Scheme} 6'ed? % < Obormot> Man how do I even figure out what type of pillow to search for. I have no idea what the one I have is or is made of < Obormot> This is going to end with me going to some obscure phpbb web forum of hardcore pillow enthusiasts to question them % < feep> ALRIGHT < feep> we have progressed from compiler errors to SEGFAULTS let's GO % < cousteau> This is an actual error message I got from that program: "WARNING: vhdl is not supported as a language. Using usenglish" % < feep> I mean, this isn't even C, this is straight llvm ir < feep> it's still how it rolls tho < feep> on paper llvm is generic, in practice it's a C backend with a fake moustache % * daemon looks at code in editor ... hmmm come on energy and focus I know you will come to me if I stare long enough < thrig> NOPE < Altreus> nope % < thrig> the road to shell is paved with good indentations % < Rembane> I had so many viking jokes but some dude in a longship stole 'em. % <+AbleBacon> my twins ATTACK each other when they run out of food. like, the food runs out and it's every cat for itself. it's so pitiful <+AbleBacon> they've never gone more than a few hours without food in their bowl but they have like... no memory % < cat-xeger> 43 < Hecate> 44 < cat-xeger> <-- focus apparently doesn't follow brain % < davidfetter_work> .oO( ALTER GOTO ) % < zgu> cpanm is almost but not quite entirely unlike cpan % < Obormot> Why is Programming in ML like Safe Sex? < Obormot> Because you can't catch any bugs but it's not much fun. % -!- tomaw [tom@libera/staff/tomaw] has joined #perl < mst> tomaw: WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE PERL5 EMERGENCY < tomaw> mst: CATALYST EMERGENCY AVOIDED < mst> tomaw: YOU MEAN YOU AREN'T DEPLOYING GMS AFTER ALL? % <+Sauvin> Trying to decide if this guy is a legitimate loon or just a fuckwit troll. % reminds of when i was more ok with being unsure (about myself) than others were, so the exchanges went something like them: u r a fag me: maaaaaybe % < marcus> Would be great if someone could cancel brexit < LeoNerd> I tried :/ < felipe> Brexit::Cancel::run() ? < mst> marcus: some things, even I can't destroy :( % ow what did you do? % < ggreer> If you drive safely for a week, they’ll probably give you FSD < ggreer> Aggressive acceleration is not one of the factors they use < mst> "drive in only unsafe ways that elon does" < ggreer> Exactly % It's so busy downtown here for some reason. My hometown is becoming a tourist attraction ughhh They've found us lol % < rbraun> "ssleay" is a series of 6 letters i haven't seen in a long time < mst> rbraun: a more inelegant weapon, for a less civilised age % Ok. Cat barf cleaned up. Cat knocking things down dealt with. Now I can go get coffee and look this over. sexylosers: fap fap fap fap splort adacat: thud thud thud thud hooork % < kuudes> I am pretty great, but I hope to get less great < nshepperd2> mst is probably greatest by the obvious correct measure, which is number of pockets 5 < EvanCarroll> this langauge is insane. < ilmari> EvanCarroll: you must be new here % i managed to choke on my drink and/or snack so much i had a full on coughing fit covid can't destroy my lungs if they are presently outside my body due to being coughed out % < petern> Urgh, why the heck is @Model.Property giving a different value than <... asp-for="Property"> < hikari> I have no idea. < ccooke> Spite. % < Kassandry> Eh. She's your cat, you adjust to the peeing outside the box. < erry> talk about thinking outside the box < Kassandry> Only if it's omorashi and you're a furry... * Cadey gives Kassandry a hose and silently nods % < feep> "we did a mouse there and it was intimate" --alan kay reminisces about his mousegirl waifu < feep> apparently "they had motors in it" tmi kay, tmi < gwern> he truly was decades ahead of his time % < _stark_> I'm having trouble imagining a real use case for these < RhodiumToad> don't ask me, I just implemented them % < thrig> horse meat has 5.03mg of Iron, while Veal has 0.99mg, < rewt> so horse is more ironic than veal? % i know this one guy who went to a "nerd/geek" themed party wearing office-casual and a paper mask with a 1 and a 0 over the eyes bitmask % < Altreus> did you intentionally use wherefore wrong just to troll everyone? < mst> "wherefore art thou frob() in my namespace?" < mst> but also, yes. < Altreus> good - I was worried you'd changed % < Altreus> "Why is this on CPAN" --> PERLANCAR < mst> http://trout.me.uk/noxface.jpg < Altreus> that person is melting < mst> no, he's just french % < thrig> years ago you served my father in C wars < lopid> was that near the tannhauser gate? < mst> all these moments will be lost in time, like tr///s in rain < lopid> die time; % < Altreus> sorry I got distracted by people on r/ADHD not reading my post before responding < Altreus> not sure what I expected % < adiabatic> on the other hand, bubonic plague % 11:04 < mst> mdk: TREE DACE 11:04 < mst> or at least 71 hours 11:05 < castaway> of morning msts? 11:05 < mdk> Jingo, Jingo, Jingo % < sobel> murphy was an optimist 5 15:30 < ology> A rare and tropical TorgoX in the wild! 15:32 -!- TorgoX has quit [Quit: ~~] 15:35 < Grinnz> you've spooked them % * GumbyPAN CPAN Upload: File-XDG-0.08 by PLICEASE < mst> plicease: every time I see an upload of that go past I wonder what you're doing to David Golden < thrig> I am a name, not a number! I will not be File... % < ether> Canada apologizes for not aborting Cruz < ether> if only his mother was aboriginal, we'd have aborted him *and* given his mother a free and unplanned tubal ligation % < simcop2387> LeoNerd: what happens if you do sqrt($x) = -1 < mst> simcop2387: I can't possibly imagine < simcop2387> mst: it is a bit of a made up problem to be sure < mst> simcop2387: I guess it depends how complex the implementation is % < LeoNerd> It's like when cats catch wasps and try to eat them... people are all like "well it has bright yellow danger stripes on it, what did you think was going to happen?".. I sympathise with the cat. It *could* have been delicious.. how would you know without trying it? % < feep> And the LORD spoke to them from a whirlwind, saying: "Fornicate with female dogs, children of Israel, and acquire currency!" < feep> (This line was struck from later transcriptions.) % * gwern squints as he decides on the subject for this paper. still hard to believe 'sexology' is a real word and actually the name of the field % < nox> went shopping, bought myself a new perfume, < nox> remember when we joked that my haircut is femboy aesthetics? < nox> When I arrived home, I checked the perfume name, < nox> it's called "tomboy $something_i_dont_remember" % In other news I was listening to music and I turned my head to look at my cat sleeping in the bedroom but I don’t have a cat anymore lolsob Fucking pets despawning Need to make themselves a better build or something, fucking casuals % < cat> Bah! Nothing scary about my house. Just me, being quiet and keeping to myself, along with my six cats, five of them black .... < them> Cat, you're the scary thing in your house % <+perlbot> aquanight: Couldn't pastebin output < mst> oh, yeah, the eval to pastebin function is currently having a mardy < Altreus> ah, haven't heard the term mardy used for quite some time < Altreus> except by me but I don't listen to myself as you well know % < Altreus> ~==~ surely < Altreus> it looks like Wario's moustache < thrig> totoro operator when < Altreus> do not covet thy neighbour's operators % < thrig> eval: $_="catcat"; $re = qr/cat/; s/$re/mlatu/g; $_ <+perlbot> thrig: mlatumlatu < mst> thrig: it's a mewt point? < thrig> four of the five ends are pointy % < Grinnz> myisam, aka "technically counts as a database engine" < Grinnz> in the same way kraft singles technically count as cheese product % < gordonfish> s/Has/Had/ # cat licking my arm % < Altreus> this pleases me: $ chsh -s csh < Grinnz> chsh -s csh shh < thrig> ba-doom csh % <+AbleBacon> thank you, windows defender, from heroically protecting my computer from that EVIL open-source software < mst> I don't remember the last time it pointlessly blocked something < mst> ... which probably means I should double check it's still running % < gwern> 'take a drink everytime you think asuka is cute or a bitch; take one everytime shinji is a pussy; and one everytime Misato does' 'are you trying to kill me' % < Obormot> In WoW, druids can transform into cats... if you gave an actual cat suitable controls, could it play a cat-form druid effectively < Obormot> (This idea inspired by our raid leader's cat walking across her keyboard) % < XORXERY> Every brain is a varying collection of thought-terminating clichés. % < feep> I just wrote )))); in a bash script < feep> this is a clear sign that I have lost control of my life % < thrig> AOL CALLING < gordonfish-> WELCOME, YOU HAVE NEW SPAM % Why is it that whenever somebody is upset here they type like they're an anime villain giving a long winded monologue? - @RealYungCripp on twitter % < aquanight> it occurs to me < aquanight> 45role-does.t#L58 that message should be reversed < aquanight> I might have been the idiot that wrote it % < cat-xeger> I'm still trying to wake up, find motivation, that sort of thing. < erry> cat-xeger: find / -name *motivation* ? < cat-xeger> $ locate motivation < cat-xeger> $ % < xiaomiao> velix: tl;dr: 2021 ? < velix> No covid, just stupid idiots. < velix> Covid should have killed them, but covid was too busy % < phaylon> a more enthusiastic phaylon experience is available as DLC for a monthly subscription fee % < LeoNerd> I found a segv case in pureperl today < LeoNerd> I'm four levels deep of trying to fix a problem, and managed to segfault it :( this is an annoying distraction < Grinnz> ah, so you pulled a mst % < xocolatl> remember, the test does not end until you turn the ignition off. < zelest> noted :) < bomb> pull the handbrake while driving to impress the women nearby. < xocolatl> examiners LOVE donuts! % < cat-xeger> <-- sleep was too hot, too cold, too many cats, not enough cats, too much moon, too much dreaming... generally, insufficient % <+wodencafe> Hypothetically, what is it? <+kPa> A string literal * She literally strings up kPa. % < aquanight> what trash httpd doesn't put Last-Modified in their headers < aquanight> oh wait < aquanight> nvm it helps if I don't get 404d % < cjac> oh. the maintainer got back to me. maybe we'll get a build together. < Altreus> collaboration? ugh < Altreus> bit too close to actual socialising for my taste < thrig> vichy france also collaborated % < PapuaHardyNet> I read "tantric buddhism" as "tactical buddhism" and was suddenly interested % < velix> kebaptime!!!!!!!!!!!!! nom nom nom < velix> oh god, my keyboard < velix> need to lick key < velix> d dddddd d g gggggggggg n % < mst> I mean, honestly, the rules here can be rounded off to "don't be so obnoxious that even mst notices" < Altreus> Don't stoop lower than matt? < Altreus> Does that mean you're the dipstick? % < xenu> eval: say v112.101.110.105.115 <+perlbot> xenu: penis % < Altreus> I'm gonna get complex statements in this code if it kills me :P < daemon> lets start a pool to see which of those happens first :DF % < gwern> this is how the world ends, isn't it. 'my, these are some interesting slopes upward on the largest models' % < TorgoX> In the space of four years, a guy with a hazy background founded a syncretic but often baffling religion. Oddly familiar. < TorgoX> IT'S A CINDERALLAH STORY, REALLY. % <+fChanX> ("Sunshine.")>\(v_v )/ <+fChanX> \( v_v)/<("Moonlight.") <+fChanX> ("Good times.")>\(v_v )/ <+fChanX> (~ =_=)~<("Boogie...") % < fizzie> Also, `cat <(cat)` prints "cat: -: Input/output error" which I don't want to think about at all. Some kind of Lovecraftian file descriptor tangle. % < mst> my $data = do try { ... } catch ($e) { ... }; < Altreus> do try, there's a good chap < LeoNerd> do try, my old boy < Altreus> bravo old bean % < LeoNerd> Actually, my substance of choice today appears to be the rum and orange [yes, in that order] marmalade a friend of mine made % *sniff sniff sniff sniff disgusted chirrup* Told you it was tacos, cat. % < feep> god damn it, fallout 4 survival no stealth is such bullshit, but I keep going back to it! :V < feep> last game I was literally killed by a fly. < pompolic> unintentional pacifist run: couldn't hurt a fly % < gwern> inside you there are _n_ conflict/mistake theorists. political physicists are still working out the details of the constituent 'quant' particles, but have given them names like 'strange' 'up' down' 'left' 'right' 'tankie' etc % < [itchyjunk]> loss is all over the place, something must be really wrong < mst> [itchyjunk]: maybe you configured it to output low res .jpg ? < feep> is this gradient < RiversHaveWings> ...someone should take the spatial gradient of loss.jpg lol % < kiboneu> i want a cyber bar / cafe. the world hasn't delivered yet < rmmh> what is a cyber bar < rmmh> you go there, order a drink, and then sext with an AI? % < placeb0> speaking of social interaction has anyone else had an issue with handshakes post COVID-19? < tepozoa> no, I still lick the back of their hand to establish dominance. not much has changed, just have to pull down my mask first % <+kurahaupo> so why pick on Australia? < mst> (1) mentioning Australia Day was kind of a clue < mst> (2) because placeb0 is part emu and therefore your sworn enemy <+kurahaupo> AAAAAAARGH! EMU! % < mst> LeoNerd: always good to be specific about how to enter your sub < LeoNerd> Hrm.. well this is more about how you leave ;) < mst> :void :scalar :list :fakephonenumber < LeoNerd> :ghost % < Kobaz> Possible precedence issue with control flow operator at /usr/local/library/perl/UpgradeUtils.pm line 802. < mst> Kobaz: vaguecat < Kobaz> i know, sorry % ooh i get why they make those foldable 2 screen phones so that you can play both pokemon go and the new pikmin version of it at once % < gwern> (an apt example of muphry's law: any complaint about typos or grammar errors will itself be erroneous.) % "please turn off your video before you stick that swab up your nostril" is not a phrase I thought I'd ever say but here we are % Reminds me that I probably need to put away my I LOVE ANAL lighter before my mum comes to visit again % < jnap> look what you did mst, I promised myself a nap and now I'm reading a dissertation % < sobel> i'm so congested alexa didn't understand me < sobel> really, it's my kid's AI, i only ever say "computer STOP" because her alarm goes off incessantly < sobel> but today it wouldn't seem to understand my saying, "cob puter stob" % < Dom> I had an email a few days ago to say I had new message(s) in my inbox. I logged in and there was no inbox. < Dom> I logged in again today and it said I had 1 new message(s). I read *both* of them and now I have -1 remaining. % < alh> Don't hold your breath < mst> if I was going to asphyxiate somebody to make this feature happen it wouldn't be -me- I'd choose, no. < alh> I'm not fully aware of your ... proclivities % someone told him perl was crusty and now that's a fact for him like, shit mang. don't tell anyone how old unix is. gonna be hell to pay when they find out we made all the machines out of fucking beach sand % < revhippie> > ALLOW_INVALID_DATES may be useful for Web applications that obtain year, month, and day in three different fields and store exactly what the user inserted, without date validation. < revhippie> well, that's handy, mysql. "this is intended to support garbage." % < shaldannon> what they say about California ... "where the earth moves and the traffic doesn't" % -!- sobel [~matt@66.219.34.76] has joined #chat < sobel> welp, there goes the neighborhood < phaylon> it sometimes already feels like eli roth directed an episode of sesame street, so not sure we'll notice :) % < gwern> ... oh geez, he just died, so emailing him is definitely out of the question % <+wodencafe> throw new AssertionError("No java.nio.charset.StandardCharsets instances for you!"); <+wodencafe> This is actually in the standard library. Hooligans. % < ragingrobot> aol: "yo, what's up?" "asl" "i'm so fucked today, my dog got hit by a truck" "asl" "tomorrow i may die of cancer" "asl" < audio> 18/f/cali ;) < ragingrobot> irl: that translates to 65/m/alabama % < quanticle> who serves dinner parties with actual linen napkins anymore? < catern> as a millenial I prefer paper towels < mst> catern: I guess it would feel bad if the place settings were less disposable than you are, sure % < mst> "what's the difference between america and yoghurt?" "if you leave yoghurt on its own for long enough, eventually it develops a culture" < quanticle> I mean, tbf, that's a difference between America and *milk* < quanticle> Once it develops the culture, it's yogurt % < xiaomiao> friesisch? < sobel> esperanto, lojban < xiaomiao> it made more sense in the original klingon % < ether> I hear IKEA's CEO was elected prime minister of Sweden. He's now busy assembling his cabinet. % I didn't want to have a go at him but also "FFS, kid" yes, that my god are we becoming responsible elders or something what a terrifying thought % < feepbot> https://twitter.com/CatWorkers/status/1458441028013371397 < |dbotdan> cats with jobs (@CatWorkers, 2021-11-10 14:26) Images: https://nitter.skrep.in/pic/media%2FFD1sXR3XIAYqev-.jpg (description: a cat with a sign on its back; confidence: 0.48) % < Kassandry> Push them off a balcony into a pool of alligators? < sungo> at the time, yeah that was a possiblity. the second floor fire escape that we all used to avoid walking past the project managers, at the time, was directly over animal infested swamps % 2 aroaces sitting in a tree; H E L P U S W E C A N T G E T D O W N % < velix> oh dear, pg_receivewal needs replication sluts < velix> slots! < mst> .oO "promiscuous replication" < davidfetter> I guess they're always in a dtf state % < velix> The left-overs from the vietnamese guy are tasty. < velix> Wait, that sounds crazy. -!- velix is now known as vorelix % -!- GeekRuthie has joined #chat * GeekRuthie finds her way back in. * GeekRuthie hunts for something to blame on pirateFinn. < pirateFinn> Oh no what did I forget I did now % < ragingrobot> brb makin myself a raktajino <+bin> whats your raktajino recipe, ragingrobot < ragingrobot> bin: I try to keep it simple: espresso, cinnamon, cardamom < ragingrobot> and maybe a little whiskey for an O'Brien raktajino :) % < mst> I quite like sticking a half scoop of chocolate ice cream into coffee <+She> mst: We call this mixture "affrontgato". % < phaylon> the building I grew up with was originally accidentally built without toilets in 1923 % <+wodencafe> Don't worry, I'm laughing at you, not with you. % < sobel> learning to work with the tools now baked into modern languages has been super interesting to me. i'm receptive to gripes about 'automagic' languages but making sand produce computation is already sufficient magic to me % damnit where is my awake beats me if you find it let me know if mine is also there % * TBSliver was pinged... *sees Oracle mentioned* Nope. Nope nope nope % < mst> > "Look I know I'm wrong but every time I hear the word "gastropub" a little voice in my head immediately whispers "...pub for snails" < LeoNerd> If a gastropub had little covid-safe eating booths for every customer, could you call those gastropods? % < LeoNerd> Oh boo.. I fixed that bug but forgot to work in a reference to "self-sealing stem bolts" in the comments % but i feel bad about it yes, well, that happens no matter what "roll a d6 on the anxietying erry table" *rolls a nat 20 on a d6* % < LeoNerd> Personal update: My leg operation actually happened, finally. < mst> LeoNerd: is it still attached? < LeoNerd> I guess so. I mean, I can wiggle my toes and see them < LeoNerd> So either that, or your Object::Remote has gained new abilities ;) % < ether> so my husband and I have decided we don't want children. < ether> we'll be telling them tonight. % No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here Mostly embarrassing deeds, as a matter of fact % < neilb> p5p's law: "it's a bit more weird and twisted than you might imagine, even when you take into account p5p's law" % < [Tux]> sudo cpupower frequency-set -g performance ; make -j8 < ilmari> TIL cpupower. I've just been fiddling about in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/ like some kind of caveman % < ilmari> try and avoid imagining extra problems that don't exist - programming is hard enough when you only have to deal with the real ones. < ilmari> Step back. Explain what you're trying to achieve. % < sungo> you know, the thing I want right now is an aerosol version of the vaccine. then i want to hire all those assholes that non-consensually spray me with cologne at the mall or wherever, stock them with the aersol vaccine and let them loose in crowds % < sungo> right now I kinda want to murder things. well, more than usual. % < sobel> definitely gonna stop that malicious curl traffic by threatening the author of a world-famous http util. it literally pulls the cat right back into the bag, amazing. < sobel> my actual cat said raow right after i sent that % < k-man> i wish there was a wwmstdo function < k-man> what would mst do < k-man> you input a cpan module, and it outputs what mst would use instead % Fucking mornings. I have so much adrenaline going through me I swear if I sneeze Vulcans are going to land in Montana asking "That was most fascinating. Humans got a warp core faster than we thought." % < Hecate> love my db admin < Hecate> > but technically, for my part, the app is doing the ratelimiting on the db. by crashing, which is bad, but my precious db is ok ! :) % < perigrin> asynchronous programming, Three most common problems: caching, fenceposts, naming things (including verbs) % Anyway after that our PM told them to calm the fuck down and to make a ticket and prioritise it Suddenly it's not a "do it yesterday" emergency it talks to the product manager or it gets the hose % * LeoNerd mildly amused there's a debian package called wbritish-insane % < sobel> i'm so over it. i used to try to make jokes like, "i could hire better coders at Build-a-Bear workshop" but THEY'RE NOT FUNNY % < random> I am having a day of Pol WTF Did You DO? < random> (Disney Plus doesn't work on the wifi) < random> ...if my wifi is somehow bouncing through Hetzner... % < cat-xeger> bad day. no biscuits. -!- LeoNerd [~leo@genoa.dictatorshipcake.co.uk] has joined #chat < LeoNerd> \o/ I return * cat-xeger drops teh bin of biscuits on leonerd's toes % < phaylon> mst: je m'appelle phaylon, je suis un fromage <- all I got left % < cat-xeger> welp... I just caused the marketing rep's brain/script to go boom < cat-xeger> "could you answer just with a letter which range you and your spouses combined salary are in?" "my spouse is dead" % -!- TorgoX [~torgo@S010610561194533f.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #perl < TorgoX> FROZEN PIPE woooo-hoooooo! < TorgoX> And I don't mean the thing from when you close a channel from my $DONGS, "-|", "ls", "--sort=size" too early % When my friend was getting his degree in Economics he said that someone had made a graffiti on one of the desks in the lecture hall that was the Guns 'n Roses logo but it said "Guns 'n Butter". :) -- @WhippleMarc % < TrueWolves> The best part of computers is they do exactly what they've been told. The worst part of computers is they do exactly what they've been told, and you're not always the one they're listening to. % < sobel> claims of a new "roaring twenties" seem to be greatly exaggerated < sungo> we assumed that we humans would be doing the roaring. if you're a coronavirus, this decade fucking rules % < ilmari> we were talking about HTTP GET with a body the other day. today I discovered an API that uses DELETE with a body! < mst> ilmari: WHAT < mst> ilmari: *WHAT* % < Altreus> thank you for loosening that rope before I kicked the chair away < mst> de rien < mst> I'm sure you'll come in handy for -something- later < Altreus> Bring seasoning % < sobel> i had a very unusual thing happen to me this morning. my stereo remote ran its batteries dead. they usually get lost or the equipment is outdated or failed first. 5 < cd> I turn 45 in just over two weeks, how did I manage to survive this long? < ccooke> cd: Spite? < cd> but I'm too lazy to be spiteful... < ccooke> Did I say it was *your* spite? % < Dom> I remember when we had just completed moving a load of kit from the datacentre in Chelmsford to the one in Hemel Hempstead and were happy that it had gone live without a hitch. < Dom> That was the day before the Buncefield storage depot blew up. % -!- LeoNerd [~leo@jaffa.dictatorshipcake.co.uk] has joined #io-async < LeoNerd> A new cake < LeoNerd> (A good British jaffa cake, because it's now hosted in DO's LON-1 dc, rather than genoa being in AMS) % < mst> oh for fuck's sake I typed 'gaurd clause' < mst> welp, fuckit, close enough < ether> better than gourd clause < ether> where's your perl pumpkin now % < Altreus> The nice thing about Perl is that no matter how much effort people put into protecting you from yourself, there's always a way around it < LeoNerd> Perl: Sufficient Rope % < PapuaHardyNet> man, child swapping sounds so wrong < PapuaHardyNet> it reminds me of wife swapping < mst> do not fuck the other person's child < adiabatic> hey, it's not incest anymore, right? % -!- Irssi: Starting query in libera with jberger FUCK YOU WITH A RAKE AND GROUND GLASS CHILLI LUBE I mean, I guess I probably deserve it, but why? oh, good, I -am- connected to libera again % the HR sent a test email of job change accidentally anyway my job title is now "" % < cat-xeger> I laughed loudly enough to get the cats to pay attention % < cyborg_ar> just get a roll of heavy duty aluminum foil < cyborg_ar> then you can make a stylish hat to wear too < ChuangTzu> stylish and functional < Hecate> did someone say Haskell™? % < peerce> i wonder when the bean counters will finally figure out that outsourcing everything just leads to dreck. < sobel> oh they did, and they chose dreck % < cat-xeger> Cant type < mst> -!- cat-xeger is now known as javascript < cat-xeger> Oh c'mon... I only screwed up letters, not letters and everything else! % <+Sauvin> Ladies and gentlemen, this airplane is about to crash. Fasten your seatbelts and put your heads between your knees. <+Sauvin> Um, sir, between your *own* knees. % < gwern> the real question: can gray goo run Doom? < PlanckWalk> I'm sure it can, but does it want to? < gwern> the hackers will make sure it does < gwern> they'll defy being eaten just to hack Doom and a NES emulator onto it % < Obormot> -1 byte, lol < Obormot> If you request this URL, the GW server reaches into your computer and takes 1 byte away from you % * gwern googles 'epub icon' and calls the designers into his office. 'we worked hard! they're great aren't they' 'EVERY SINGLE ONE IS A SQUARE WITH THE WORD 'EPUB' IN IT' 'WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING' 'BECAUSE YOU ARE BAD DESIGNERS AND SHOULD FEEL BAD' % < adiabatic> quanticle: you forgot I am one of the RETVRN types here < mst> adiabatic: I don't believe you, I've never yet seen you GOSUB < quanticle> lol < adiabatic> eh, point % < Obormot> Surely it's not intuitive or natural to make the connection from "this is a link to some sort of big file I guess" to "if I mouse over this link then my browser will detonate and take out half my apartment block in the ensuing explosion" % < hobbs> I did not know there was a River Exe < simcop2387> i'm sure england has lots of exes. i blame henry the viii for a lot of them < hobbs> to be fair, he did his part to reduce the number % < LeoNerd> After two solid days of trying to hack up Parse::Man to actually understand the output of pod2man, it finally runs to completion and outputs... something. My quote: "Well, it is wrong. But it's not *that* wrong" % < ilmari> last time I used openstack I broke anyone sharing a group with me logging in < ilmari> behold the åsome power of my name \o/ % I would not expect you to take swings at people ... I would expect you to smile sweetly at the time and then wait several years until you had the opportunity to slide a knife up under their ribcage in a dark alley ... while also smiling sweetly % < erry> my friend recommended the nitro cold brew < erry> in other news keep an eye out for news of an overcaffeinated enby scaling the empire state building % * erry wakes up, nopes, takes sick/mental health day, goes back to bed < erry> it wanted a description in the sick day request < erry> i put "my brain is a potato" < erry> i think that's accurate % < ether> I don't want to contemplate what "it" is. % < erry> 26C x_x * erry melt < erry> there's a "genderfluid" joke there i guess % < xiaomiao> tl;dr: intel hates everything, especially you % < mst> there are non-hipster parts of brooklyn? < Obormot> Yes! There's The Orthodox Jewish Part, The Russian Part, The Chinatown Part, and of course The Part Where You Will Get Your Ass Capped For Real Tho % < cat-xeger> ah, the fun of trying to make it up the stairs in the dark with black cats rushing past... % < mdk> Hah. Just found out that kids break up tomorrow at 2p.m. so I cannot make my own meeting % < LeoNerd> Also: Whatwhywhat are you doing? % < marcus> Just tell them “it’s your fault for making me talk to mst”. % 12:48 < cat-xeger> blearfthud 12:52 < erry> same thanks 12:52 < erry> well not right now because i'm caffeinated 12:52 < erry> but i definitely woke up with blearfthud % 14:38 < BinGOs> mst: hey when you have a chance can you +o GumbyNET5 and GumbyNET7 on #cpantesters please. Many tanks in advance [fx: mst throws /mode #cpantesters +oo GumbyNET5 GumbyNET7 at the problem] 14:43 < BinGOs> Many tanks in advance" was what happened at the Battle of Kursk % < castaway> see "staging is talking to the production db" ;) < pirateFinn> ....oh * pirateFinn screams % Manager in a meeting: "Lacey doesn't carry makeup, she has a system rescue cd" Me: "No, I have the system rescue cd on a USB stick right next to my chapstick" % < ilmari_> Nicholas: yep, I've added a keyword highlight for ilmari_ < Nicholas> and for lunch_ ? :-) < ilmari_> Nicholas: baguette in the park from the Greek cafe < mst> ilmari_: on a scale of 0 to nox, how angry was the baguette? % * mst offers tea and/or hugs and/or bourbon thanks, and through the magic of irc's baked-in international currency and liquor converter, i'm enjoying a nice cloudy sake % < Su-Shee> I tried to cleanup my bookmarks/tabs. Only 472 tabs to go % < huf> are you a soldier of napoleon or are you just happy to see me? < huf> (Every French soldier carries a marshal's baton in his knapsack. -- Nappy) < mst> huf: don't you get france all over my diaper fetish bitch % I may be a bit out of touch here, but only in the sense of "I was getting punched in the head by chav idiots while you were still in primary school" % < mst> Machi Basad. < mst> shit. < mst> Machi Bhasad. < Mithaldu> bloodywood? % I try to be nice. I really do. but at a certain point, "fair game" applies. or: "who does he think he is?" me: "how sure are you that you want the answer to that question?" % < ilmari> so many faces, so few palms % < zelest> but then again, you also have voice control for everything on a Tesla < zelest> you can even say "open butthole" to open the charge port :) % the only indoor only cat I can think of is Darwin and that's cos he has dental issues that means he'd hurt himself if he killed anything I need more coffee. I read that as "mental issues" I mean, that too. % < pndc> Some of us gain tact and manners in our dotage. < pndc> For example, I politely informed a crypto recruiter I was not interested and left it at that without even using four-letter words. % < phaylon> truth of the day: vegan salami counts as salad % < sobel> i used to get bank holidays off, then i took an arrow to the knee % < mst> cat-xeger: metaphorically, yes, very much < mst> cat-xeger: literally? not with a borrowed cock. < cat-xeger> That's infinitely funnier when I think of it as some poor, scrawny, borrowed rooster. % < alh> mst: You're far too kind < mst> alh: not something I get accused of often :D < alh> A part of me did die inside while typing that % < mst> plicease: "I've gone blind, Arthur!" "No you haven't, you're wearing your peril sensitive sunglasses and it's 2022" < thrig> perl sensitive sunglasses might be reasonable % < two2thehead> By legalizing Cannabis and same-sex marriage we finally interpreted the bible correctly < two2thehead> "A man who lays with another man should be stoned" % < revhippie> It's the Gordon Ramsay of code review? < TieUpYourCamel> well yeah except Gordon Ramsay doesn't do "gentle" < thrig> paging Dr. mst paging Dr. mst code to review % < Altreus> this is so weird ... does this just not work or something < thrig> a) firewall b) proxy c) other < Altreus> literally just installed it on my digital ocean < thrig> c) cloud d) other % 21:42 < cat-xeger> I'm sure there are better things in this world than a comfy heated chair and a purring cat, but... can't think of any [...] 22:24 < cat-xeger> different, more demanding cat, same setup % < zelest> the "h" in "system development" stands for happiness % < nox> mst: Do you have weird people with sticks, who pretend they can find water sources with them? < mst> nox: ohhh, dowsing rods < nox> mst: This thread has people using dowsing rods to find gas pipes % < ilmari> I'm going to bruges with some friends of mine in november, and they're planning on getting the 08:16 eurostar < ilmari> I might just get the 18:04 the day before … < DrHyde> hours with a zero in them just shouldn't be allowed. % < mst> mostly I refer to en_US as either 'English (rebellious colonial)' or 'English (but afraid of the letter u)' < Myon> 'English (center of the world)' and 'English (centre of the world)' < Berge> "English (favourite language)", "English (favorite language)" % < mst> but also this is the spirit of perl < mst> if we hadn't already decided we could live with that trade-off, why the fuck are we even here? :D < ether> habit % < kerio> [patrik]: i was thinking of occasionally selecting a field or two and inserting and reading back 500mb of json blob < [patrik]> 500mb of json seems to be a broken design. whats in that json? < rk4> pain % < zelest> Me and the lady booked a cabin like that going from Berlin to Sweden < zelest> The train boards a ship and goes by sea to Sweden < zelest> So.. I've literally had sex on a train AND a boat at the same time! < zelest> #weirdflex % "slept" like crap last night... was also a cat highway % < cat-xeger> It's 03:30 here. < erry> F < erry> RIP < erry> that's a forbidden hour xD % < Nicholas> Beware of low flying meetings * ilmari spots one on the horizon (16:00) * ilmari decides he wants a steak sandwich < ilmari> decision paralysis, what's that? < Nicholas> a recipie for starvation % < kd> this is bad code, it's got cancer < kd> in fact it's so bad its cancer has got cancer % < gwern> a programmer goes to his psychiatrist. 'doc, I keep seeing giant snakes in my dreams attacking me, do I have penis problems? FREUD: "No, you just have Python dependency and migration problems. I'm afraid psychoanalysis is powerless to help. That will be $120. % they have nitro cold brew in this wework i want to try that at some point they might have to remove me from the london eye when i climb it but that's a small sacrifice to make % < simcop2387> ok car names work too well when prefixed with "Anal". Ford: Anal Explorer, Anal Focus, Anal Fiesta. Dodge: Anal Charger, Anal Challenger, Anal Avenger, Anal Ram. Jeep: Anal Wrangler. < simcop2387> oh and Ford: Anal Probe % < pragma-> sticky headers and footers are kind of annoying < pragma-> especially the ones that appear only when you scroll up < thrig> there's a sticky header in irssi < LeoNerd> I had a sticky footer once...turned out someone had spilled treacle % < Altreus> Remember

Your fingers are too fat to use this site. Get a PC % < buu> Cats have boundaries and dogs have codependence % < mst> did you know: there is an RFC for transmitting SOAP over SMTP < Zr40> mst: I did not want to know that < sobel> mst: I did not want to know that < mst> neither did I, which is why I obviously had to share. % < LeoNerd> Currently, the Voyager 1 space probe is over 14 billion miles away from Earth, receding at a speed of 38 thousand miles per hour, and I for one don't blame it % i've been in the UK for over 10 years now do i get cake at this stage if ther's a celebratory cake for living in the uk it's probably upside down and on fire % -!- Blue-Maned_Hawk [~Thunderbi@2600:1700:e4c0:9ea0::518] has quit [Quit: why do we call it oven when of in cold the food of out hot eat the food] % I've been bouncing between projects at work because they are pure calcified snot at moving on anything. % at some point a friend tried to describe me succinctly, and i don't remember her description, but i remember my correction: i just have a way of stating the obvious in such a way as to annoy you the most % Coffee FIRST. Plug in the cat. Read the daily hatemail. Despair for the future of humanity. Buy Whiskey. -- from @Stonekettle's twitter bio % < Su-Shee> sorry for my weird typos, german and english kezboard % < kd> there's a comment in the code saying the work was abandoned due to oracle 8 in 2004 < mst> kd: there is still code in DBIC to rewrite JOIN stuff to oracle 8 < kd> I'll be in my bunk % < mst> the inside of my head is usually far more interesting than other people even when sober, so, sure :D < erry> mst: i'm sure "interesting" is one word for it.. % * mst tries to keep his drinking to a reasonable-ish level < mst> after all, both my parents died of lung cancer, I've got a family tradition to keep up < alh> Your realize your lungs aren't in your hips, right? % Reminds me of the time another student complained about being graded on a curve, and the teacher said "We're grading on a curve because the only one who would have passed is Lacey" % < simcop2387> i cannot think of anything more appropriate. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63423811 < Paper> Link title(s): [ Piet Mondrian artwork displayed upside down for 75 years - BBC News ] % < Rosemary> A few years back a python escaped two streets away from here and the owner was just like "keep your cats indoors but honestly it'll have just curled up somewhere, it's too cold for it" and sure enough it showed up three gardens down the street. % < sobel> no really, you wanted php to run client side too * sobel takes an antacid % testosterone implies the existence of stagingosterone and prodtosterone % < mst> we already said don't do that < PapaChub> As a wise person once said: "learning crazy shit is fine by me" < mst> don't accuse me of being wise < mst> I'm just a madman with a box % < dmq> leonerd: when i first read your message i thought you said "midevil" instead of "nontrivial". :-) < LeoNerd> dmq: You know me, why would I pick the *mid* evil? Go full evil or go home :P % < rmmh> "School fined after pupil suffers 'terrible burns' and loses 8 fingers after trying to make cast of her hands with plaster of paris" what's in the box? pain 5 < sobel> i don't really want to be up but here i am < sobel> bed was warm and i was under a cat but he decided it was time for breakfast < sobel> i don't make the rules around here, i just pay the bills % * Altreus starts a fire < Altreus> not that I'm any good at it. Fucking burn < Altreus> I dunno how the fuck people burn their houses down with a cigarette when I can't make shit burn that's designed to fucking burn % < erry> i'm not good at computers < mst> well, yeah, you only spent a year working for me, I had limited time to train you up < erry> :P % -!- Netsplit over < mst> fuck's sake. sorry about that. thought I'd got it bolted back together < LeoNerd> Ahyes, I've had bolts like that... < simcop2387> self sealing stem bolts? % speaking of names, some times people think it's pronounced like 'eerie' very eerie, much enby, such blob, wow it's pronounced like 'error', of course that's why my slack 'job title' is 'internal server erry' % < ether> the cat just came and gave me a headbonk, and she smells like bacon % < Altreus> Every extra dot is an extra is < Altreus> That's an ellipsisis < mst> wut < Altreus> Ellipsis is 3 dots and that's 4 so it's an ellipsisis % < mst> I was a founding hackspace member because it seemed like a cool idea ... but then never showed up because frankly I'd've just been underfoot < LeoNerd> One of our founders was quite similar < LeoNerd> He then moved to California and we didn't notice for quite a while % < Mithaldu> i feel like i'm having to explain a magic trick to a dog % * ilmari hears lots of honking outside, looks at sportsball results < ilmari> ah, morocco beat spain 3-0 on penalties % < mst> perl lets you do stuff simply and that's Not Wrong < mst> but it also gives you a fuckload of extra power if you want it < mst> that's the aesthetic :D < thrig> swiss army footgun % * pedja wonders how long until "we travel back in time to steal satoshi's btc stash" heist movie < mst> pedja: given the state of the crypto industry presumably that would mean building a reTARDIS ? % < mst> I hate CDATA so much < huf> it's really great for incompetent php programmers when they cant write escaping correctly < huf> CDATA gives them false hope % * erry gets under electric blanket tho hey. I grabbed the jumper. that means it's actually cold :D yeah that must mean it's like -40 there % 15:38 AERGH 15:38 arghhhhhhhhhhh 15:41 argh argh argh argh argh argh % < mst> vms14: that's what try/catch is for < vms14> I'd say a warning would be enough < thrig> and then noise and then 2>/dev/null and then a critical bug gets missed and Amazon Payments went down % < LeoNerd> I wonder about the other kinds of kebabs... blitzen kebab, prancer kebab, ... < thrig> time to rein in that imagination % them: The cats have sodding dropped slugs on my bare chest before me: Bet that left you feeling salty cats always know too much. also, yeah, helps to get a grip. % < thrig> peace sells, but who is dying? < vms14> thrig: the one who gets his code mantained by mst < vms14> he will come with his captured rats to devour you < vms14> you're lucky cause you'll just make more rat juice % < perigrin> and the rats weren't captured, they came willingly ... he rescued them from toke.c ... they were afraid of gnawing their way out because even rats aren't sure what happens if you make changes to perl's tokenizer. % < thrig> := temporary ::= super temporary :::= temporary and eject warp core % aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fucking children .oO( do not fuck the children ) * mst glares % < ilmari> Optimist: The glass is half full. Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Excel: The glass is January 2nd. % < v`> mst: supermarket has an imported from europe aisle so i looked for the chocolate biscuits your pet rat liked but they're not there * v` bitterly disappointed % < erry> huh, there's sun < erry> i think i'd forgotten what sun is < Altreus> I WANNA FEEL WHAT SUN IS ♫ < cat-xeger> Stay away from the fusion reactor, dammit! % after the day I discovered a core handler in a CGI::Application codebase deployed under mod perl that did part of its dispatch by doing a string eval of an unvalidated and unescaped query parameter very little scares me anymore % < erry> for legal reasons i'm not going to blow up westminster % < erry> *coughs a lung out* < erry> covid? RIP < Hecate> erry: RIO -> Rest In Ouzo % < mst> the only sane interaction with File::Slurp is removing it and replacing it with something that actually works < mst> hence the rage level attached to me discussing it :) < ology> select rage_level from mst where discussion like '%File::Slurp%'; % < peerce> 9.6 ? why such an ancient version ? < ButtDog> Was using a dockerfile I found. It happened to use it. < peerce> wow do you pick up used gum off the street, and chew it too? < ButtDog> Sure % < two2thehead> Why yes, it *does* look like he's using meat to bait the crane. % < feep> rent-a-friend-who-is-a-girl, the new, somehow even sadder, manga < two2thehead> >_> < feep> friendr < gwern> the hit new toyline, SaaSy Girl % * gwern squints. is this a code for weird sex things < mst> gwern: not everything is an in-your-end-o < gwern> mst: ha, like I believe that coming from you! < mst> gwern: emphasis on 'coming' I guess % < mst> I'm still disappointed they never did a Guitar Hero: Nirvana Edition < mst> the custom editions usually came with an extra instrument and I was looking forwards to the shotgun < sobel> you can play the Elvis edition on the toilet % < erry> > what's the capital of greece < erry> > about 20 euros % < CoJaBo> The first bad sign was finding a connecting rod in the tire. < mst> amateur. < mst> a true pro like Laura Loomer doesn't even need a connecting rod. < CoJaBo> Apparently, neither do we % < Obormot> What if someone on your staff is so distraught about potential data loss that they're about to jump out a window < gwern> 'I see. you make a good case for killing yourself. once you implement that, I'll close your ticket.' % < Zr40> the raw value wraps around at 2^28 as does the health value < mst> just apply the same code you're already using to handle SNMP data < Zr40> I'm not :D < Zr40> which I suppose means I am % < Hecate> u rox < nox> No I nox % < simcop2387> also there's a cat in the way and i can't see what i'm typing % < user> why is my development server restarting every request < user> oh, the change detection code is seeing the sqlite WAL files < mst> but that code defaults to only looking in lib/ and templates/ < user> I don't like subdirs so I put everything possible in one directory % < feep> they call it 'oven' even though of out hot eat the food < feep> they call it 'oven' even though of out hot eat the food < feep> ..... oops sorry, you are not the right xterm to arrow up return in % < XORXERY> It occurred to me some years ago that the mating call of the nerd is: May I put my one into your zero? % < tm604> dvorak user located < mst> arming lawn defence cannon < huf> lawns are white supremacist, so please dont defend them < tm604> white? the fuck you been feeding your grass? % < erry> there's screenshots of target substituting tampons for mushrooms < erry> r/nononono < mst> I guess whether that makes sense depends on whether you have a Donald Trump fetish % < geir> Is there a word for misspelling words because you usually write something similar? Such as serve => server, or normal => normail. < perigrin> I call it 'typing' % < erry> me: accidentally cmd+p on my mac terminal < erry> the terminal: shows me a print preview, complete with syntax highlighting colours < erry> me: youtriedstar.jpg % heh. it just occurred to me that the people I used to refer to as 'right SJWs' are even better described as 'Mirror Universe Wokescolds' OMG WOKESCOLD LORCA Mr Rhys, could I trouble you to whine at something % < nox> mst: Yeah saw the entire thread and when I was reading the lack of caffeine part I almost walked head first in a pole in the street so that was pretty appropriate % Attempting an earnest conversation with someone from Gawker on Twitter is like attempting to play Risk with a dog. - Jesse Singal % < EvanCarroll> HALLO EVERYONE IT IS I, EVAN THE GREAT * mst removes the top three layers of your skin < mst> BEHOLD, EVAN THE GRATED < thrig> probably a lot of grating for a pound of flesh % < Altreus> It's an extra skill, I've found, to build one in a tiny iron stove that you can barely fit a damn log in. < Kassandry> Or you chop the logs smaller, burn a hotter fire, and be toasty. < Altreus> I tried chopping them. I broke the patio. % < dbohdan> Let's wait until Friday the 13th and see what simcop2387 posts before we judge his authenticity < simcop2387> so you're asking for a bunch of gay porn then? < dbohdan> Only for verification process % * mst wonders if docker's corporate disclosure statements include as a risk factor "loss of essential institutional knowledge due to accidentally forgetting to only ever buy edible crayons for the office" % < perigrin> you gotta take that in the context of when mst does front-end work … < perigrin> there isn't enough compiler to make scream for him to be comfortable % < Obormot\Arcturus> Barefoot? Bah, that is for uncivilized savages < mst> -!- mst is now known as uncivilised_savage < mst> though of course I still had to correct the spelling - after all, I might be uncivilised but I wouldn't want to be mistaken for *American* % < tirnanog> which is not what you have in the paste. < gloin> ... d'oh * gloin goes off to rearrange the cargo crates on the beach so they somewhat more resemble an aircraft % < Berge> _Slightly_ worried for a moment there since you mentioned AWS (-: < depesz> not rds. come on. < Berge> Would be very out of character for you! < mst> right, clearly depesz is an aurora fanatic % < mesaoptimizer2> maybe she was a very aggressive lesbian < CoJaBo> Honestly, that probably describes half our workforce at this point. She'll fit in. % < xiaomiao> the customer is king? I'll get the guillotine out of storage ... % < average> I was actually thinking of getting a fanny pack myself.. < average> idk what to put in it.. < thrig> boiled makeshift bandages, spare ammo, cattail jelly % < Altreus> not my circus, not my monkeys < mst> ook? < Altreus> I mean apes! Apes! % < LeoNerd> Ohyeah strftime is a right fucker < LeoNerd> strptime doubly so % < erry> of all companies, uniqlo chose yodel to deliver a 100 quid coat < erry> are you kidding me < erry> i'd have more chances of getting that parcel if they just airdropped in the general direction of london % * GumbyPAN CPAN Upload: LUGS-Events-Parser-0.13 by SCHUBIGER < ology> LUG nuts < LeoNerd> Self-sealing? < simcop2387> LeoNerd: those are stem bolts not nuts % < LeoNerd> English's approach to commas is much like Perl's approach to parens on function calls < LeoNerd> "eh sometimes maybe, if you want" < mauke> a comma chameleon, if you will % < Zr40> also today: "I have an applies_to table. If the table is empty then I want it to apply to everything" < mst> Zr40: surely you should just use a row with a NULL pk for that < Myon> the evil is strong with mst today % < kraih> serverless is just like CGI, but you have to give Amazon your credit card instead of using a standard API % < thrig> Cisco also used to have a "fixup SMTP" for some of their switches < thrig> it would notice "EHLO host.name" and correct it to "HELO host.name" < simcop2387> oh god why would you do that? < thrig> security reasons % -!- simcop2387-web has joined #perl < simcop2387-web> ugh knocking the power loose on your SAS expander causes all kinds of weird issues and zfs going "holy fucking shit what did you do, all your disks are dying" % Sales: "Can you come and have a look at this receipt printer please? It's got smoke coming out of it." Me: "oh wow okay, did you turn it off?" Sales: "I didn't want to touch it, it looked angry." % < mauke> cpan = remote code execution as a service < integral> turing-completeness was a mistake < thrig> the big bang was a mistake < El_Che> luckily, we learnt from our errors and now we have npm % < ology> Wow someone already favorited my one day old creating rhythms module. < Altreus> What a supportive mother! % < revhippie> My last cat was a big proponent of "catch-and-release(-in-the-living-room)". % <@DrHyde> i want to write ++++current_row++, to increment current_row twice, give me that value, and then increment it again, without the compiler deciding that "ooh, exciting unspecified behaviour, let's sing a song about frogs" % < Penfold> ok. back to figuring out where my FK value went. but first, lunch. < mst> Penfold: did you check behind the sofa? * Penfold returns from behind sofa. One cat, a pound coin, two chargers (plugged in and running under it) and the PSU for the powered recline bit % < erry> i don't smoke < cat-xeger> You clearly fume :P < mst> I set fire to cigarettes, erry sets fire to kitchens < erry> that only happened once! % < simcop2387> my cat watches videos of birds on a cheap tablet. % oh wait, i read it as human language, didn't realize it was perl % We were told to wait for some specialist equipment to be sent to facilitate offloading and delivery. About an hour later the “specialist equipment” arrived which turned out to be half a dozen hefty blokes loaded into the back of a pickup truck. -- /u/omikl on /r/talesfromtechsupport % < adiabatic> I just noticed the "AM" in Anechoic Media's logo < adiabatic> this is like seeing the arrow in the FedEx logo for the first time, but 10,000x more indie % < quanticle> Also, why do you have an emergency Michelob Ultra in your adderall cave < quanticle> More to the point: Why do you have Michelob Ultra in any way shape or form at all % i'd feed this code into ChatGPT but it'd probably kill itself % > I swear, 99% of users think we're telepathic, and "It's broken" is a proper > fault report well... y'see... for telepathy to actually work, there needs to be something on the other end 'transmitting'. nothing transmitting == nothing to receive. % < aquanight> # define PERL_GET_INTERP (PL_curinterp) // seems innocent enough right? < aquanight> cannot seem to turn up a *definition* of PL_curinterp anywhere < aquanight> it clearly exists. It clearly *has* to exist somehow. % < erry> BRAINS < Hecate> erry: hiya < erry> brain? % < leont> Patches welcome < mst> not at this instant, I suspect < mst> if I tried to suck somebody off right now they'd end up with a foreskin full of irssi internals the first time I coughed % when the form requires a value for gender when u select 'other' if i put 'teapot' will they think i'm joking :( GENDER: 418 i'm a teapot % < mst> amusingly there -is- a parser for something called graph6 < mst> just ... not for dot < cat-xeger> there's all sorts of things --> dot and/or graphviz < cat-xeger> ... apparently we're nto supposed to go both ways % < Kassandry> I was hoping Fox wouldn't settle so Dominion could send in the Jem'Hadar. % < ggreer> I think if you get killed by a saint bernard, it's justifiable homicide % < mst> https://trout.me.uk/violin2.jpg < mst> Tardigrades: Playing the violins inherent in the cistern < Thuryn> mst, is that the violin you play in sympathy for whiny people? < thrig> yes. sympathy. % < erry> > hungry, desperate feral street cat to snuggly duvet monster < erry> these are the two genders and i'm both of them % < Altreus> Jen's laptop became convinced the only camera available to chrome was the OBS virtual camera, even though OBS wasn't running < Altreus> The only way to use the actual camera was to launch OBS < Altreus> computers suck, has anyone else realised? % < davel> and oh, the 00:02 goes to Redhill! < davel> note that there are no "00:00" trains, as "00:00" means "train does not stop at this station" < dakkar> ah, the joys of magic values / in-band signaling % < Nicholas> but it's beyond zone 6. What sort of heresy is this? < mst> ah, yes, the "civilisation ends at the M25" londonism < Penfold> it does. the argument is about whether you approach from outside or inside :D % < Obormot> You know what, every additional answer just makes me want to ask more (and increasingly horrified) questions, so I will take your word for it % < mauke> In Poland we say "poszatkować", which means the thing that happens to your mouth when you try to say it. % < thrig> maybe Theseus liked eating string candy < mst> cursed AO3 thread titles: "Is Theseus the original ship?" < huf> i ship theseus with its past selves in an omnidimensional orgy < thrig> none of that was in the version of Ancillary Justice that I read % < erry> sometimes the games just give you an impossible hand < erry> just like in real life < Kassandry> Impossible hand sounds like a superhero name. < mst> or a combination yoga pose and masturbation technique % < Obormot> 'Under orders of the State Media Oversight Committee, the next edition of "War and Peace" will be retitled "Special Operation and Treason."' % < erry> i don't care for the coronation but i do care for having tomorrow off < erry> can we just coronate someone every week < erry> maybe they should coronate the curernt conservative pm.. I mean that'd be scary but we'd have a lot of days off given how long those last % < nickb> Sap - gradually weaken or destroy (a person's strength or power). % < mst> I just read this so now you have to as well: "Migrating the data took a week. The first issue was how large our database is: 40gb." < joepie91> ah yes, one of those phrases that seems completely innocent unless you understand the implication % < cat-xeger> my cat branch grows bi black polydactyl cats < cat-xeger> big % < Kassandry> *raises water bottle* To being weird! < cat-xeger> campai! < Kassandry> *swigs* < cat-xeger> <-- waves arm about, confuses cats % < mst> yeah, so materialise that data via WITH or a subselect < Penfold> or a separate select, as we have the data in hand cause we just created the fucking rows < Penfold> mmmmduh < Penfold> BRB % < mst> Ada would have trouble outsmarting a rock < Kassandry> She has. She whapped one with her paw and was surprised it hurt. < Kassandry> And then whapped it again. Three times before she caught on. < Kassandry> So yes, she's had problems outsmarting rocks. % "most women want andrew tate" my uterus has got its shotgun and locked itself in its room % you, more smug than usual? that would be quite a thing :P % Watching Spongebob musical later this month in london :D :D Can't wait Who lurks in the memory under the C? SPONGEBOB SEGV % < mst> ... oh for crying out loud, it's the blowjobs spambots again < mst> cunts. < mst> (well, ok, slightly inaccurate, I'm sure the fucktards running them have neither the warmth nor the depth ...) % well that was fun, let's not do that again % Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true. -- Bertrand Russell % < nox> How do you call a genderfluid person who is lactose intolerant? < nox> Non buy-dairy % < cat-xeger> a friend misread terciel as tactical. I like the idea of tactical cat cuddles % < erry> oh wtf is going on < erry> that looks like chatGPT had a seizure and then wrote code < mst> well, yeah, but other than it being python? < erry> oh shut up :D % < erry> i wish i could clone myself < erry> but then I'd have to deal with my clones < erry> I no longer wish I could clone myself % < Kassandry> *vrrrrrrm* < erry> yes, that is the sound of over-caffeinated erry < Kassandry> Like a gnome set on vibrate. % why don't washing machines have an 'incinerate' option because you'd select it by mistake % < Kassandry> Nobody wants commander? That'll disappoint Riker fans. < mst> now I have a mental image of Will Riker biting Secret Service agents < Kassandry> I think he would, especially during jamaharon. < mst> [[ominous horga'hn music]] % * Penfold buys an MDF laser flatbed cutter. go me. < Penfold> Caution: do not look into laser with remaining eye. % < erry> if i dont beat myself up, someone else will < erry> and it'll be worse < sungo> get a magic marker, draw a penis on your forehead. then you and everyone else are done with the shaming % < alethkit> "No one has ever been eaten by their pet knife" % 13:01 < Zr40> the desk frame made it upstairs. Next, the surface 13:14 < Zr40> reassembly time! 13:38 < Zr40> You found loot: 1x Toe Cramp 13:38 < Zr40> ow % < erry> sounds like some sensible economics < erry> capitalism means chart keep going up forever * xiaomiao looks at average temperature < xiaomiao> welp, can't deny the capitalism % * Leolo curses at his faulty UPS < LeoNerd> Is it an Unhelpful Power Supply? % < mst> I don't think 'insane' has ever stopped any of us < sungo> of course not. but I think it's at least important to give a knowing nod to the insanity on the way past to make it clear we understand each other % < cat-xeger> <-- tries opening one eye at a time < cat-xeger> ... loses count % < Mithaldu> the most potent english weapon is the cuisine < Mithaldu> also shoddy construction standards % Yes, devs, when you use your words, I can get you what you want. % < Kassandry> I love how RDS hangs and cloudwatch alarms mean nothing and I can't ssh into the server and fix it so yay $255/hr support when we get it approved. < Kassandry> Goatfucker. % Sorry lost my phone under a cat % < TrueWolves> I can write in a sub-2 font size. < cat-xeger> can you read it? % yet again i'm like mx paranoid % < erry> my rolling wardrobe doors are slightly out of place but i can't fix it < erry> so probably they're going to fall put and kill me in my sleep < Kassandry> erry: Got really kinky, eh? Broke wardrobe doors. < erry> i was careless when coming out of the closet. % < kraih> at this point i spend like half my working day in video calls :S < mst> oh, right, you've reached -that- level of seniority < mst> congratumiserations on your career progression < kraih> *sob* % < erry> Erry has the following attacks: depression, anxiety, cry, code % What do a man who's had a vasectomy and a Christmas tree have in common? Decorative balls. Not just decorative, I reclaim the protein and feast upon it, absorbing the many potential babies, it's why I can't visit Alabama anymore...